Which Jesus are you trusting ?

Mii · Dec 16, 2021

It is absurd to presume to be able to understand the trinity or whatever you would like to call it in your mortal flesh. I also don't care much for labeling (Trinitarian, Tritheist, Oneness, Modalist, whatever)

NONE of us have arrived and yet some of you appear to think you have done so...or are "more" arrived than others. I don't think you "really" think you have but it does read that way.

Can you stop? It's annoying. I've had a lot of personal revelation on the subject and it's personal...each of us probably has. Just like we are all uniquely and wonderfully made, we EACH will understand the Father, Son, Holy Spirit a bit differently. It should echo each other certainly and if we "really" try to see eye to eye, that should be feasible. It takes a LOT of effort sometimes and isn't necessary usually. Please understand though, calling someone's salvation into question is a bit extreme for understandings of the Godhead.

I don't think we are equipped to completely understand it personally. We are equipped as little children to understand the basics, but beyond that just enjoy the mystery and profundity of it and work out your own salvation.

It's not like anyone on this thread was questioning the deity of Jesus, so what's the issue?

I really don't know how to say this but we all have a different perspective within the body and I personally think it's pretty important to bear in mind that "some" of the things we learn privately don't exactly translate. That isn't to suggest that they aren't accurate but this "untranslatable data" makes perfect sense to the Lord and "some" sense to you but none to another. Does that seem reasonable?

Hann57 · Dec 16, 2021

Mii said:

It is absurd to presume to be able to understand the trinity or whatever you would like to call it in your mortal flesh. I also don't care much for labeling (Trinitarian, Tritheist, Oneness, Modalist, whatever)

NONE of us have arrived and yet some of you appear to think you have done so...or are "more" arrived than others. I don't think you "really" think you have but it does read that way.

Can you stop? It's annoying. I've had a lot of personal revelation on the subject and it's personal...each of us probably has. Just like we are all uniquely and wonderfully made, we EACH will understand the Father, Son, Holy Spirit a bit differently. It should echo each other certainly and if we "really" try to see eye to eye, that should be feasible. It takes a LOT of effort sometimes and isn't necessary usually. Please understand though, calling someone's salvation into question is a bit extreme for understandings of the Godhead.

I don't think we are equipped to completely understand it personally. We are equipped as little children to understand the basics, but beyond that just enjoy the mystery and profundity of it and work out your own salvation.

It's not like anyone on this thread was questioning the deity of Jesus, so what's the issue?

I really don't know how to say this but we all have a different perspective within the body and I personally think it's pretty important to bear in mind that "some" of the things we learn privately don't exactly translate. That isn't to suggest that they aren't accurate but this "untranslatable data" makes perfect sense to the Lord and "some" sense to you but none to another. Does that seem reasonable?

I am not here to talk, debate, or give my opinion. I read daily. First the gospel, then the doctrine which Paul received from Christ.
I am a member of the body of Christ through faith in the gospel given to Paul by Christ. Like Paul I don't pretend to know everything except Christ crucified.

Duckybill · Dec 16, 2021

Hann57 said:

Amen!

LactoseIntolerant · Dec 16, 2021

Blade said:

Something by which to live.
Matthew 22:36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

How do I express my love to God
with all thy heart - my one true love, my first love, my chief love. Revelation 2:4
with all thy soul - God is our Lord, God is One. I am his creature. Deuteronomy 6:4-5
with all thy mind - I eat from the Tree of Life not the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Genesis 2:16

How do I love my brother and sister.
as myself - I want eternal life for me as for them.

GRACE_ambassador · Dec 16, 2021

Blade said:

IF JESUS CHRIST is Not The Great God And Saviour (Titus 2:13), then is there another Jesus who is your saviour (2 Corinthians 11:4)?

justbyfaith · Dec 16, 2021

Mii said:

I do believe that the Trinitarian creeds do denounce as false doctrine the doctrine of Tritheism and they say that if anyone believes that doctrine, they are not saved.

I would identify Tritheism as any doctrine that defines the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as being separate from one another rather than distinct. It should be clear that we do well to believe in one God (James 2:19) and that Jesus is the incarnation of that one God (He is truly God).

The only difference between Jesus and the Father is that the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15) without flesh while Jesus is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) dwelling in human flesh.

It was not 1/3 of God, or a 2nd God, who was manifested in the flesh; it was God (1 Timothy 3:16 (kjv)).

The Trinity is really not that hard to understand once you know what sound doctrine is concerning it.

It is not even incomprehensible.

It is a very simple doctrine (2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

BonnieClaire · Dec 17, 2021

justbyfaith said:

You can't lose what you never had...salvation won't be found with a false Christ...

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

BonnieClaire · Dec 17, 2021

justbyfaith said:

If in your mind it was the Father who became flesh, then I wouldn't trust your version of the Holy Spirit either...

From #105

justbyfaith said:

BonnieClaire · Dec 17, 2021

justbyfaith said:

My answer to this is that the Father exists as a Spirit inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15). He lived one eternal moment and then descended into time in order to take on human flesh;

Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

The same Spirit exists in eternity as the one true God (John 17:3);

and in human flesh in the Person of the incarnation of the one true God (He is truly God).

There is one God; even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv));

Who has been incarnated in flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Anything else is Tritheism.

You interpret scripture the way democrats interpret abortion...they call it Healthcare

BonnieClaire · Dec 17, 2021

justbyfaith said:

It is my testimony that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world, just like the Apostle's testimony, and not that the Father became his Son...

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. ~KJV

Egyw0lf · Dec 17, 2021

The first Christian letters in terms of the history of writing were devoid of stories of the miracles of Jesus. Jesus in Paul's letters was only a faithful god on the theological meaning of the word, which heralds the nearness of the kingdom of God that will come very soon and in Paul's life himself, and that he died on the cross atone for the sins of mankind and that he He rose on the third day and appeared to people and then ascended to heaven, and that belief in this idea alone is the means of salvation in that coming kingdom. However, what happened after that is that the oral legends circulating around Jesus began to invent miracle stories for him, quoting the stories of Greek and Roman pagan miracles, and this is what we see clearly in the Gospel of Mark, which was written after the death of Paul and after the demolition of the temple. At that time, the echoes of Jesus' inability to perform miracles were still circulating and widespread among Jewish communities and congregations and undeniably.

Therefore, the writer of Mark's Gospel was forced to limit the prohibition to the Pharisees alone, but to put on the tongue of Jesus the word (generation) in order to be a means of defense against the Jewish objections that affirm the absence of Jesus' miracles. Then the writer of the Gospel of Matthew was forced to increase the number of his audience from the Pharisees alone to the Pharisees and Sadducees together. Yet the writer of Luke's Gospel is very clear that he was subjected to a process (widespread, intense and widespread Jewish denial) that the Jesus they knew or heard about from their ancestors did no miracle at all. Therefore, in view of this Jewish activity, he was compelled to increase the number of his audience to “the crowds crowded” around Jesus, so that the excuse would be that “every denying the miracles of Jesus is produced only, with emphasis on a word only, from those crowds whom Jesus prevented with miracles and not others and was used with them.” word [generation]).

justbyfaith · Dec 17, 2021

BonnieClaire said:

I do not deny that testimony in my teaching that Jesus is the same Spirit as the Father (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:23-24, John 4:24); since Jesus is God (you would do well to look up the verses).

posthuman · Dec 17, 2021

Hann57 said:

if i may,
i am just wondering what word you use to describe how the Bible describes as fact that ((in OT)) the LORD God is God, the Spirit of the LORD is God, and The Angel of the LORD is God? yet there is only One God. what word do you prefer for how the Bible describes as fact that ((in NT)) the Father is God, the Christ is God, and the Holy Ghost is God? yet there is only One God.

i see you have a bit of a hang up about vocabulary, which is fine, so i want to use words that don't offend you, if possible. that's all.

thanks

posthuman · Dec 17, 2021

AworkINprogress said:

why is it ok for you to call him a "JW" but you are offended to be called a "Christian" ?

Blain · Dec 17, 2021

I like to think of the trinity by comparing them to us. You have the flesh the physical appearance you have the head with the brain then you have the soul or spirit if you will all this is you but different parts of you and each part functions for a different purpose but it is still you and you are still one person.

Blain · Dec 17, 2021

Basically God the father is the head and the brain Jesus is the physical form the holy spirit is your soul or spirit if we were made in his image this makes sense to me

posthuman · Dec 18, 2021

Hann57 said:

au contraire

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

(1 Corinthians 11:1)

posthuman · Dec 18, 2021

Hann57 said:

what you say here is incompatible with what you say here:

Hann57 said:

think about it.
God expects us to 'think' - do you disagree? do you need a scripture "in kjv only" that instructs you to use your mind?

posthuman · Dec 18, 2021

Hann57 said:

((you said this about 1 John 4:14))

why do you say 1 John is not written to us?
that's weird. not even hyper-dispensationalists say John's writings are not for us.

Hann57 · Dec 18, 2021

posthuman said:

Not here to have a debate. Sorry.

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