If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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"sceptre" is the same as "rod" in Greek.

i think this is saying the Rod of Iron that JESUS Reigns with is His Throne ...The Throne He is already sitting in!

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 
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Jesus says “Come up Here!” So His Kingdom is up in Heaven

Jesus has a mystery and says "the seven lampstands are the seven churches"



Rev 1:20 “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches

Jesus says He "walks among the seven golden lamp stands"


Rev 2:1“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:

Now Jesus is saying He "has the Seven Spirits of God". We see where they come from and where they go.

Rev 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

There is a door open in heaven and a Voice like a trumpet "Says Come Up Here"
"After These Things"


Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.

After a reception of lightning and thunder Seven Lamps of Fire appear in front of the throne; and look what it says they are. Now the lamps that were on earth are before the throne, and do you remember what Jesus said the lamps were: that's right He said they were the churches; But now they are being called the Seven Spirits of God. And it just keeps getting better.

Rev 4:5 Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God

Let's do a little review: Jesus said that the seven golden lamps on earth are the churches. Then after a voice like the sound of trumpet says come up here, and after a reception of lightning and thunder coming out from the throne: now the seven lamps are in heaven, but now they are being called the Seven Spirit of God. So you can look at the previous verse to see that it's all true. But move forward is the greatest thing we could ever see. So now we know the Seven Spirits of God are the Seven Churches.

Rev 5:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, that were sent out into all the earth.

So there we have it. The greatest thing one could ever imagine: Right there is the Head of the
Lamb are Seven Eyes that are the Seven Spirits of God that were sent to ALL THE EARTH.
So We are on The Throne Just As Jesus Promised We would be. Therefore, We are Raptured off of the Earth and seated on Our throne, Immediately before all the Murder and Mayhem begins.

Below is the Promise.

Rev 3:21-22 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to Him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Dan 7:13“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, One like a Son of Man was coming on the clouds of heaven. And He came up to be presented before the Ancient of Days.

People ask where the Rapture is in the old Testament. It's in the Little Book/Daniel where we see many aspects of Revelations.

Rev 3:22 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.’”
The churches(lamps) that are currently on earth are also currently with the LORD in Heaven even now at the Same Time.

Read John ch17 and Ephesians ch2[/QUOTE]
 
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Rev 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

What is going on here? Is It saying that we don't leave the Kingdom after we are Reborn into It?

"new Jerusalem" is Now.
 

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"sceptre" is the same as "rod" in Greek.

i think this is saying the Rod of Iron that JESUS Reigns with is His Throne ...The Throne He is already sitting in!

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Obviously scripture says Christ comes from heaven to rule with a rod of iron:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

That's not ruling from heaven!


Do you know what word RULE means?


G4165
ποιμαίνω
poimainō
Thayer Definition:
1) to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep
1a) to rule, govern
1a1) of rulers
1a2) to furnish pasture for food
1a3) to nourish
1a4) to cherish one’s body, to serve the body
1a5) to supply the requisites for the soul’s need
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4166
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901


Amill claims "rule" means something else.
 
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Obviously scripture says Christ comes from heaven to rule with a rod of iron:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

That's not ruling from heaven!


Do you know what word RULE means?


G4165
ποιμαίνω
poimainō
Thayer Definition:
1) to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep
1a) to rule, govern
1a1) of rulers
1a2) to furnish pasture for food
1a3) to nourish
1a4) to cherish one’s body, to serve the body
1a5) to supply the requisites for the soul’s need
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4166
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901


Amill claims "rule" means something else.
i'm confused, are you saying GOD doesn't physically Rule like a beast king for your 1000 years?
 
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Galatians 6:15-16
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

"the Israel of God" is the Spiritual Descendants of Abraham. They became The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST when JESUS Fulfilled The OT.
 
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I know that this is a waste of time, but has anyone noticed in verse 14 of Revelation 19, being clothed with “fine linen”.?

What is earthly materials doing in the spiritual realm?

Linen is a product of the earth, flax to be exact.

Flesh and Blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. In other words, this natural realm cannot enter the spiritual realm because it’s not able to.
 

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I know that this is a waste of time, but has anyone noticed in verse 14 of Revelation 19, being clothed with “fine linen”.?

What is earthly materials doing in the spiritual realm?
Nothing forbids that. John was in heaven and had a book he was writing things in.

Flesh and Blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
That's not true. John was there.

In other words, this natural realm cannot enter the spiritual realm because it’s not able to.
Obviously this is a false conclusion and you provided some of evidence...linen, where you think it shouldn't have come from. There's also a rod of iron etc.
 
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Do you think you are getting The HOLY SPIRIT Interpretation when you allow physical sin in your life? You don't have enough Oil to remain on the Plan of SALVATION.
 

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Do you think you are getting The HOLY SPIRIT Interpretation when you allow physical sin in your life? You don't have enough Oil to remain on the Plan of SALVATION.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
 

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i get it, you want your sins more than GOD.

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
 
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i just want you to face what is going on. being literal has become a poker tell that something isn't right. there is no sinner's prayer. Do you think your robe is white? You are either on The Narrow Path ...or you are not.

Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES? what do you think satan is tempting you with? How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?
 

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i just want you to face what is going on. being literal has become a poker tell that something isn't right. there is no sinner's prayer. Do you think your robe is white? You are either on The Narrow Path ...or you are not.

Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES? what do you think satan is tempting you with? How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
James 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
 
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This place is a test …and you are failing.

You are running up to the door of Heaven …and turning around to look for excuses to continue eating from the wrong tree.

a child of satan's kingdom has no idea they have chosen temptation to leave GOD'S Plan of LIFE.

We are supposed to hate sin because it is an offence to our KING. Do you want to be a Citizen or not?

You bought the excuse that JESUS is an automatic free pass for Judgment. What you don’t realize is that to say you Believe in CHRIST is to LIVE IT.