Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.

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The word doesn't say that 1/3 of God descended; and neither does it say that a 2nd God descended.

If you read through the book of isaiah through enough times, I believe that you will begin to see things my way.
 
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IF the second Person of the Trinity became so after He took on Flesh then he was never Eternal.
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He ascended to exist once again outside of time (Ephesians 4:10).

And in His pre-incarnate form, He is the eternal Spirit who is the Father (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11, Isaiah 9:6).
 
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justbyfaith said:
The word doesn't say that 1/3 of God descended; and neither does it say that a 2nd God descended.

If you read through the book of isaiah through enough times, I believe that you will begin to see things my way.
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the Book of Isaiah is Prophecy that was not fully given of Christ. Why would one take the fulfillment of Prophecy over the very words of Jesus who they were written about? Read the book of Isiah as many times as you want HE did not have a full understanding of Christ but a prophetic snapshot. LOL, the last thing I need to do is see " your way" Jesus is the only way guy.



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the Book of Isaiah is Prophecy that was not fully given of Christ.
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2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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justbyfaith said:
2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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again you are really short on hearing all scripture given by inspiration but not all scripture provide the same revelation of the Christ and Jesus' words are fully authoritative when HE speaks in Scripture yes even more than Paul and Isaiah. Jesus even said the Holy Spirit will speak of HIM. the inspiration given to Isaiah about Jesus, Jesus already knew it before it was given to the Prophets :)
 
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justbyfaith said:
What part of Jesus' words says to you that Jesus is 1/3 of God; or a 2nd God?
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I am not saying scripture says Jesus is 1/3 of God, you are assuming that. What Scripture does say is Jesus is God :) which we have quoted :) your false narrative will not work with me :)
 
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I am not saying scripture says Jesus is 1/3 of God, you are assuming that. What Scripture does say is Jesus is God :) which we have quoted :) your false narrative will not work with me :)
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There is one God, even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv));

who has been incarnated in flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ.

If the 2nd Person of the Trinity was incarnated, as one who was eternally begotten of the Father as a Spirit; not only is that two Spirits who are God (see John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:4); but it is 1/3 of God incarnating in flesh; or a 2nd God incarnating in flesh.

It should be clear that sound theology dictates that we do well to believe in one God (James 2:19).

If Jesus is God then He is the one true God. That means there are no other Gods beside Him.

In your theology, is the Father a God beside Jesus?

In my theology they are the same Spirit.
 
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My answer to this is that the Father exists as a Spirit inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15). He lived one eternal moment and then descended into time in order to take on human flesh;

Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

The same Spirit exists in eternity as the one true God (John 17:3);

and in human flesh in the Person of the incarnation of the one true God (He is truly God).

There is one God; even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv));

Who has been incarnated in flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Anything else is Tritheism.
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There is one God, even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv));

who has been incarnated in flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ.

If the 2nd Person of the Trinity was incarnated, as one who was eternally begotten of the Father as a Spirit; not only is that two Spirits who are God (see John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:4); but it is 1/3 of God incarnating in flesh; or a 2nd God incarnating in flesh.

It should be clear that sound theology dictates that we do well to believe in one God (James 2:19).

If Jesus is God then He is the one true God. That means there are no other Gods beside Him.

In your theology, is the Father a God beside Jesus?

In my theology they are the same Spirit.
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your version of sound theology is just that yours. Jesus is my Lord and My God as Thomas said in John 20: 28

Jesus prayed to His Father which is God, the Spirit of God is seen in the creation account who is God.

BUT you know better. the very word of God says all are God yet one. The Father is not a god but is God. Jesus is not a god he is God the Holy Spirit is not a god but is GOD. That is what we see in the word of God.
 
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My answer to this is that the Father exists as a Spirit inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15). He lived one eternal moment and then descended into time in order to take on human flesh;

Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

The same Spirit exists in eternity as the one true God (John 17:3);

and in human flesh in the Person of the incarnation of the one true God (He is truly God).

There is one God; even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv));

Who has been incarnated in flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Anything else is Tritheism.
 
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this thread is getting more ridiculous as it goes on. One big thing I see lacking by some here is Reverence and Respect. Speaking profanely about Jesus and even saying or suggesting Jesus being God, he is false Christs. Foolishness.


Never in my time as a Christian have ever seen such willingness to explain what can't be fully understood. Many here have spoken about the Eternal Godhead in such a way, I cringe when I read it. Some are so willing to speak profanely about Jesus as they continue to speak they are getting closer to Blasphemy. I would recommend those who hold to the doctrine of the Trinity not to cast your pearls and don't be sucked into foolishness about the Eternal Godhead which known can fully know. State from the word of God, as many of did, and, why the trinity is Biblical as many of you have. Those who disagree don't have the intellect to look outside their own carnal understanding.


The Doctrine of the Trinity is a concept that is seen in the word of God. We all must approach the Eternal Godhead with reverence and fear when speaking of the One true God. Jesus is God because He said he was the word of God says he is God. The Holy Spirit is God, and The Father is God. Each one is described and seen in the word of God. A fool has said in his heart there is no God.
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Matt 11: 27 All things are delivered unto me by my Father, and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father , except the Son, and HE TO WHOMSOEVER THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.

Too bad that the Son does not reveal this knowledge to everyone. I say pray for this knowledge and read my posts especially the first.
 
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Matt 11: 27 All things are delivered unto me by my Father, and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father , except the Son, and HE TO WHOMSOEVER THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.

Too bad that the Son does not reveal this knowledge to everyone. I say pray for this knowledge and read my posts especially the first.
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The text you have used, id being used out of context by your assertion. To know all there is to know about the divine nature of God and HIS Atributtes are seen by General Revelation and Special revelation which are the thing God created and HIS word.

You can not or any flesh receive the full revelation of God and not die. Only Jesus. If you think Matt 11:27 means Jesus has revealed to you all there is to know about there Devine Nature of the Godhead, you are deceived and arrogant.
 
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The text you have used, id being used out of context by your assertion. To know all there is to know about the divine nature of God and HIS Atributtes are seen by General Revelation and Special revelation which are the thing God created and HIS word.

You can not or any flesh receive the full revelation of God and not die. Only Jesus. If you think Matt 11:27 means Jesus has revealed to you all there is to know about there Devine Nature of the Godhead, you are deceived and arrogant.
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I wish you well.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Matt 11: 27 All things are delivered unto me by my Father, and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father , except the Son, and HE TO WHOMSOEVER THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.

Too bad that the Son does not reveal this knowledge to everyone. I say pray for this knowledge and read my posts especially the first.
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The doctrine of the Trinity is actually a very simple doctrine (2 Corinthians 11:3-4) which can be understood easily.

I don't think you have the knowledge of it, though.
 
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You don't know that, and the word of God doesn't say that.

Jesus said before Abraham was I AM. You are saying Jesus created. IF the second Person of the Trinity became so after He took on Flesh then he was never Eternal.

The word of God says Christ is Eternal, as John Chapter one States. You are greatly errored in your comment.
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Jesus as the Son of God is always eternal. It is only his human flesh that was made.
 
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TheLearner said:
Jesus as the Son of God is always eternal. It is only his human flesh that was made.
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He was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35); and then ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10); even to exist once again outside of time (Isaiah 57:15).
 
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