Saved by Water
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I see them as distinct and I do not see this as contradicting what you have mentioned above.
The Father dwells in eternity as a Spirit without flesh.
The Son is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) dwelling in human flesh.
Jesus is the incarnation of God.
There is one God, even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6).
Jesus is God in the flesh.
The Father dwells in eternity as a Spirit without flesh.
The Son is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) dwelling in human flesh.
Jesus is the incarnation of God.
There is one God, even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6).
Jesus is God in the flesh.
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you cannot receive the Holy Spirit (He is not a ghost...that is an old English word for spirit...the Holy Spirit is a Person) without being 'born again' . a person is born again when they receive Christ as their Savior.
God does not give His Spirit to those who are not saved. you have it backwards and even common sense would tell you that if you actually understood what you are reading
I am not sure you actually do understand.
bizarre comments actually, that are so unbiblical it is alarming.
perhaps you can share how you know you are saved...a believer...how did that happen for you
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yes the Bible does say that
it also states plainly that you are attempting to teach a false gospel and a false Jesus that does not save without a person performing a work
baptism does not save anyone
only Jesus saves through His shed blood. He alone never sinned
how could a sane person imagine that a sinful human being can dunk someone in water and think they have just washed away the sins of that person
total false doctrines that are being circulated by the Oneness people here
it also states plainly that you are attempting to teach a false gospel and a false Jesus that does not save without a person performing a work
baptism does not save anyone
only Jesus saves through His shed blood. He alone never sinned
how could a sane person imagine that a sinful human being can dunk someone in water and think they have just washed away the sins of that person
total false doctrines that are being circulated by the Oneness people here
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since this has been addressed by every single person here who points out your confusion and non-biblical doctrine, you are once again just blowing smoke
again, this is what you do. you dodge, lie and play games
you have been presented with every scripture that refutes your false beliefs
again, this is what you do. you dodge, lie and play games
you have been presented with every scripture that refutes your false beliefs
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I see.
Is this your job then? Are you a professional dunker? That would explain a lot.
I sense a Dunkin Donut joke coming down the pipe. I hope not, but just sayin'.
Is this your job then? Are you a professional dunker? That would explain a lot.
I sense a Dunkin Donut joke coming down the pipe. I hope not, but just sayin'.
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Scripture?
Baptism saves (Acts 2:38-39, Romans 6:1-4, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:11-15, 1 Peter 3:20-21, Ezekiel 36:25-27).
Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Baptism saves (Acts 2:38-39, Romans 6:1-4, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:11-15, 1 Peter 3:20-21, Ezekiel 36:25-27).
Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
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That was Peter's point about literal water. It is ONLY a symbol for the baptism that DOTH save. Literal water only removes dirt from your skin.
Acts 22:16 - And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
There are 2 things that Paul was told to do:
1. be baptized
2. call on His name.
Which one do you think the "wash your sins away" goes with? You wrongly think #1 because of how wet your theory is, but it is #2. Noting the word "and" that separates "be baptized" from "wash your sins away, calling on His name".
Since you don't wash your own sins away, the action of being water baptized doesn't either.
However, when people put their faith in Christ, believe in Him, or call on His name, they are SAVED and their sins are washed away.
The phrase "call on His name" means to believe in Him for salvation. That's when one's sins are "washed away".
You have water in your eyes.
You have misread 1 Pet 3:21 and Acts 22:16. And it has led you down the path of false doctrine.
Acts 22:16 - And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
There are 2 things that Paul was told to do:
1. be baptized
2. call on His name.
Which one do you think the "wash your sins away" goes with? You wrongly think #1 because of how wet your theory is, but it is #2. Noting the word "and" that separates "be baptized" from "wash your sins away, calling on His name".
Since you don't wash your own sins away, the action of being water baptized doesn't either.
However, when people put their faith in Christ, believe in Him, or call on His name, they are SAVED and their sins are washed away.
The phrase "call on His name" means to believe in Him for salvation. That's when one's sins are "washed away".
You have water in your eyes.
You have misread 1 Pet 3:21 and Acts 22:16. And it has led you down the path of false doctrine.
FreeGrace2 said:
The ONLY WAY the Father and Son are "distinct Persons" is by being "separate Persons".
There is NO OTHER WAY to explain The Father's voice from heaven speaking to His Son on earth. Period.
You are dodging the real issue. You have rejected that "distinct" means "separate". And as I pointed out, when the Bible describes God the Father speaking to His Son on earth, there HAS TO BE separate Persons.
And you still haven't even tried to explain how one Person can perform in the way that the Bible tells us.
And the FACT that He spoke to His Son on earth proves there are separate Persons.
This is where your theory goes completely off the rails.
Again, and please read this slow enough to let it actually sink in.
If there is only ONE Spirit, existing both in heaven and a body on earth, you STILL have 2 Persons.
I don't think you have any idea what this means. In fact, Jesus is God the Son, separate from God the Father, and His human body is the Incarnation.
Jesus is the Son of God. His Father, whom He frequently prayed to, is God the Father.
There are many many verses that describes the actions and conversations between the Father and the Son.
No father can be his own son.
No son can be his own father.
Your theory is delusional. It is simply impossible to occur.
Though God is sovereign, omnipotent and omniscient, He cannot be contradictory to His character.
But your theory IS totally contradictory. Worse than a fantasy.
The ONLY WAY the Father and Son are "distinct Persons" is by being "separate Persons".
There is NO OTHER WAY to explain The Father's voice from heaven speaking to His Son on earth. Period.
You are dodging the real issue. You have rejected that "distinct" means "separate". And as I pointed out, when the Bible describes God the Father speaking to His Son on earth, there HAS TO BE separate Persons.
And you still haven't even tried to explain how one Person can perform in the way that the Bible tells us.
And the FACT that He spoke to His Son on earth proves there are separate Persons.
This is where your theory goes completely off the rails.
Again, and please read this slow enough to let it actually sink in.
If there is only ONE Spirit, existing both in heaven and a body on earth, you STILL have 2 Persons.
I don't think you have any idea what this means. In fact, Jesus is God the Son, separate from God the Father, and His human body is the Incarnation.
Jesus is the Son of God. His Father, whom He frequently prayed to, is God the Father.
There are many many verses that describes the actions and conversations between the Father and the Son.
No father can be his own son.
No son can be his own father.
Your theory is delusional. It is simply impossible to occur.
Though God is sovereign, omnipotent and omniscient, He cannot be contradictory to His character.
But your theory IS totally contradictory. Worse than a fantasy.
SophieT said:
you have been presented with every scripture that refutes your false beliefs
His eyes are as tightly closed as the other poster's are.
you have been presented with every scripture that refutes your false beliefs
His eyes are as tightly closed as the other poster's are.