Human Organs In Pigs

[Roughsoul1991]

The scientists are working towards the ability to grow human organs in pigs. The idea is that, with organ transplant waitlists claiming lives around the globe, ready-to-use human organs grown in pigs could offer a solution.

https://bgr.com/science/monkey-pig-china-chimera/

I'll act as the devils advocate here as I do not yet have a opinion of yes or no.

Devils Advocate: someone who pretends, in an argument or discussion, to be against an idea or plan that a lot of people support, in order to make people discuss and consider it in more detail:

Genesis 1:26&28
New International Version
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Rule over and subdue. What is the difference to fatten up the calf to eat or to test on animals for the safety of human medicine?

This could help save human lives.
But to what extent are we to subdue the animals? We humanely slaughter the calf for meat, is it different to humanely slaughter it for a human organ?

 

[gb9]

keep this in mind- a lot of this stuff is already happening, they are just making it public with stories like this.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

keep this in mind- a lot of this stuff is already happening, they are just making it public with stories like this.

Good or bad to grow human organs in a pig to harvest for transplantation when someone's organ is failing?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Good or bad to grow human organs in a pig to harvest for transplantation when someone's organ is failing?

Growing human organs in animals definitely has a "yuck" factor. First, it would be unethical if the animal is suffering pain (past a few seconds) in this process. Second, at the end of the day, human life has more value than animal life, so from that aspect I don't think it would be wrong to waste an animal to prolong human life. Third, the organ at issue would be a human organ, not an animal organ, and should be no different from a donated organ from a human. So, I don't see an issue there either. However, maybe this whole transplant issue of putting an organ that belongs to one animal (in this case, the human) into another animal is Biblically wrong; I'd have to think more about that.

 

[Godsgirl83]

Would this cause the animal to be human/animal hybrid?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Growing human organs in animals definitely has a "yuck" factor. First, it would be unethical if the animal is suffering pain (past a few seconds) in this process. Second, at the end of the day, human life has more value than animal life, so from that aspect I don't think it would be wrong to waste an animal to prolong human life. Third, the organ at issue would be a human organ, not an animal organ, and should be no different from a donated organ from a human. So, I don't see an issue there either. However, maybe this whole transplant issue of putting an organ that belongs to one animal (in this case, the human) into another animal is Biblically wrong; I'd have to think more about that.

It would definitely have to be humane in the slaughter or extract of the organs.

To me the Bible is clear we are to rule, subdue, eat, use them for clothes, use them for work, and in the Mosiac law it was clear we shouldn't abuse them but we also shouldn't hold them above a human life.

Past that I do not see any other guidance.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Would this cause the animal to be human/animal hybrid?

I do not believe so. I believe they are using a pig and monkey due to their closeness to human organs. In theory they are trying to make the organs more acceptable and less of a chance for the human body to reject the organ.

Pig valves are already used successfully in heart transplants.

A major challenge in cardiac xenotransplantation has been immune rejection; primates, and probably humans as well, reject pig hearts; the immune system sees them as foreign and attacks them, rendering them useless in transplantation. Genetic engineering has now been used to create pig hearts that don't carry the same molecules that tend to trigger these immune rejections.

Genetic engineering has also solved a problem of incompatibility, in which proteins found in human blood and the lining of blood vessels in pig hearts trigger blood clots when combined. Researchers have also worked to create pig hearts that can produce a human protein called thrombomodulin that helps control clotting.

 

[Mii]

Just reading about it, I don't have much of an issue with it. I heard about this a few years ago it seems but it's worlds better than human harvesting. What possible spiritual quandaries do you perceive?

 

[Billyd]

My wife has pancreatic exocrine insufficiency (PEI). She is prescribed a drug called CREON. The active ingredients in this drug comes from pig bladder linings. It works, but it costs $8000 per month.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Just reading about it, I don't have much of an issue with it. I heard about this a few years ago it seems but it's worlds better than human harvesting. What possible spiritual quandaries do you perceive?

I personally do not see any as long as we are not killing a human or inhumane towards the killing of the animal.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

My wife has pancreatic exocrine insufficiency (PEI). She is prescribed a drug called CREON. The active ingredients in this drug comes from pig bladder linings. It works, but it costs $8000 per month.

Does it work?

 

[Billyd]

Does it work?

If it is taken as prescribed, it works. It requires her to take one or two large pills in the middle of her meal and anytime she eats. She says she would rather suffer with the PEI than take pills in the middle of eating.

 

[sonshine]

As in the days of Noah............

Come quickly Lord!!!

 

[Moses_Young]

The scientists are working towards the ability to grow human organs in pigs. The idea is that, with organ transplant waitlists claiming lives around the globe, ready-to-use human organs grown in pigs could offer a solution.

https://bgr.com/science/monkey-pig-china-chimera/

I'll act as the devils advocate here as I do not yet have a opinion of yes or no.

Devils Advocate: someone who pretends, in an argument or discussion, to be against an idea or plan that a lot of people support, in order to make people discuss and consider it in more detail:

Genesis 1:26&28
New International Version
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Rule over and subdue. What is the difference to fatten up the calf to eat or to test on animals for the safety of human medicine?

This could help save human lives.
But to what extent are we to subdue the animals? We humanely slaughter the calf for meat, is it different to humanely slaughter it for a human organ?

I think human-animal hybrids are evil. Man is created in the image of God. To mix man with animal is an abomination, the type of which was ended at the flood.

Saving human life is not our highest objective on Earth. God told man and animals to reproduce "according to their kinds". To create hybrids is, in my view, finding a way to disobey God. Then all the obvious ethical and moral questions, which should not arise, if we had simply obeyed God.

Where do you think demons came from?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I think human-animal hybrids are evil. Man is created in the image of God. To mix man with animal is an abomination, the type of which was ended at the flood.

Saving human life is not our highest objective on Earth. God told man and animals to reproduce "according to their kinds". To create hybrids is, in my view, finding a way to disobey God. Then all the obvious ethical and moral questions, which should not arise, if we had simply obeyed God.

Where do you think demons came from?

How do you define hybrid?

 

[Oblio]

"37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." - Matthew 24:37 KJV
Mixing species is highly frowned upon by God and is why the flood happened and why there are demons.
We live in troubled times.

 

[tourist]

As in the days of Noah............

Come quickly Lord!!!

My sentiments exactly.

 

[tourist]

How do you define hybrid?

I think that's a Prius.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

"37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." - Matthew 24:37 KJV
Mixing species is highly frowned upon by God and is why the flood happened and why there are demons.
We live in troubled times.

Technically that was an angel not a species.