Does God love everyone?

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Pilgrimshope

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#41
Are we going to base our doctrine on one of David's imprecatory Psalms, or are we going to focus on what Jesus said??

I am tempted to question what your true agenda is.

We know the truth. No need to phart around with The Word of God.
are you saying the psalms arent true ?
 

Pilgrimshope

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#42
Matthew 7

21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

"I NEVER KNEW YOU..."
the rest of that really helps

“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.


And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:23-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re fooling ourselves when we don’t accept what he taught us to believe and do. It’s like building our house without a foundation and it’s crumbling is only a matter of time
 

oyster67

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#45
are you saying the psalms arent true ?
They sure are true. The Word of God tells us the good, the bad, and the ugly. Must I remind you that neither David nor Solomon nor Paul were perfect men. The Bible does not sugar coat the way modern "preachers" do. The Word is the very definition of Truth. It troubles me greatly to hear some "christians" suggest and insinuate otherwise....

2 Timothy
3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#46
They sure are true. The Word of God tells us the good, the bad, and the ugly. Must I remind you that neither David nor Solomon nor Paul were perfect men. The Bible does not sugar coat the way modern "preachers" do. The Word is the very definition of Truth. It troubles me greatly to hear some "christians" suggest and insinuate otherwise....

2 Timothy
3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
amen brother and nope abraham , moses , David , none were perfect
 

Journeyman

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#47
Recently I had listened to an older video of R.C. Sproul and a lecture he had given on this topic. Is it Biblical to tell all people that God loves them? In R.C.’s conclusion, the answer would be yes and no. He breaks down this notion of divine love into three parts:

Benevolent: God’s good will towards His creation

Beneficence: God shows provision for people by giving things that we all benefit from in order to survive

Complacency: This not to be confused with how the word is used today, but instead it is the love the Father has for the Son and to those who have been given to Him (The Elect)

I do think this is accurate assessment given what scripture has revealed to us. I just want to get other Believer’s opinion of the matter. Is R.C. missing the mark on this one? Is he correct? Please let me know
(Also, this not an in-depth analysis of the topic, but rather a summary of what he did allude to)
I know two things. I didn't love anyone enough to let anyone spit on me without wanting to knock his head off. Sometimes I still don't. The false witnesses, beating, mocking and death he put up with is the love of God toward people who should have had a noose around their necks. The second thing is, I could have had a noose around my neck.

Thank you dear Father for your merciful love.
 

Isaskar

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#49
...sorry to hear you missed the boat. ;)
I got nothing against their teaching on predestination, I also believe in that. Where I differ is that I don't believe God has predestined every little thing that has ever happened. Every typo, every pen drop. etc. He has predestinated certain things, yes.
 
J

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I have no clue what the Calvinists believe... But I do know that the majority TODAY are victims of their own twisted ideology. They have been given over to seducing spirits. Only a handful of us still recognize our shepherd's voice!
 

JohnRH

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#52
Recently I had listened to an older video of R.C. Sproul and a lecture he had given on this topic. Is it Biblical to tell all people that God loves them? In R.C.’s conclusion, the answer would be yes and no. He breaks down this notion of divine love into three parts:

Benevolent: God’s good will towards His creation

Beneficence: God shows provision for people by giving things that we all benefit from in order to survive

Complacency: This not to be confused with how the word is used today, but instead it is the love the Father has for the Son and to those who have been given to Him (The Elect)

I do think this is accurate assessment given what scripture has revealed to us. I just want to get other Believer’s opinion of the matter. Is R.C. missing the mark on this one? Is he correct? Please let me know
(Also, this not an in-depth analysis of the topic, but rather a summary of what he did allude to)
God loved every human being, specifically in the sense of desiring each of them to go to heaven when they die (John 3:16, 1 Timothy 2:4).

God is love (1 John 4:8, 16)
If I loved a person, in the sense of wanting them to escape hell, before they died and went to hell;
and God didn't love them, in the sense of wanting them to escape hell;
then I'd have been loving them more than God did. That's impossible.

... the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men ... (Titus 2:11).
 

BonnieClaire

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I got nothing against their teaching on predestination, I also believe in that. Where I differ is that I don't believe God has predestined every little thing that has ever happened. Every typo, every pen drop. etc. He has predestinated certain things, yes.
Glad you didn't miss the boat
 

brightfame52

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I got nothing against their teaching on predestination, I also believe in that. Where I differ is that I don't believe God has predestined every little thing that has ever happened. Every typo, every pen drop. etc. He has predestinated certain things, yes.
But He has, why would you think differently ?
 

Isaskar

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But He has, why would you think differently ?
I would think differently because the Bible states God is not happy with certain things that take place. Naturally, God did not predestine that to take place.

Read Isaiah chapter 5 for example, here are some quotes from the chapter:

"
“Now you dwellers in Jerusalem and people of Judah,
judge between me and my vineyard.
What more could have been done for my vineyard
than I have done for it?
When I looked for good grapes,
why did it yield only bad?"

"
The vineyard of the Lord Almighty
is the nation of Israel,
and the people of Judah
are the vines he delighted in.
And he looked for justice, but saw bloodshed;
for righteousness, but heard cries of distress."

Now if God had predestinated for this to take place, it would make no sense for Him to be calling for people to repent continously as He does through His prophets in the Bible, not only that, God looked for justice and saw bloodshed the verse says, why not just predestine the justice instead of bloodshed?

It makes no sense to say everything has been predestinated. It is illogical and makes people not responsible for their actions, and instead of using the "Gangsta rap made me do it" "the devil made me do it" people could legitimately use "God predestinated my downfall to occur".

Christianity has too much philosophy not enough wisdom.
 

Blade

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From what I read (the word) I would have to say yes. Yet here we are trying to what describe, explain love, God who has always been. The wind that always blows.. and the vapor is trying to understand the wind. You can take this with a grain of salt its fine. When I was young I always prayed "show me people through your eyes". He answered that 15 years later. The short is.. I saw people through His eyes.. didn't see saved or lost just people and He was crying so hard because they didn't know how much He loved them. That experience ... I don't run with that over the word of God. Yet.. it was Him. Have to add..I also just knew I only saw.. a sliver of this.
 

brightfame52

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I would think differently because the Bible states God is not happy with certain things that take place. Naturally, God did not predestine that to take place.

Read Isaiah chapter 5 for example, here are some quotes from the chapter:

"
“Now you dwellers in Jerusalem and people of Judah,
judge between me and my vineyard.
What more could have been done for my vineyard
than I have done for it?
When I looked for good grapes,
why did it yield only bad?"

"
The vineyard of the Lord Almighty
is the nation of Israel,
and the people of Judah
are the vines he delighted in.
And he looked for justice, but saw bloodshed;
for righteousness, but heard cries of distress."

Now if God had predestinated for this to take place, it would make no sense for Him to be calling for people to repent continously as He does through His prophets in the Bible, not only that, God looked for justice and saw bloodshed the verse says, why not just predestine the justice instead of bloodshed?

It makes no sense to say everything has been predestinated. It is illogical and makes people not responsible for their actions, and instead of using the "Gangsta rap made me do it" "the devil made me do it" people could legitimately use "God predestinated my downfall to occur".

Christianity has too much philosophy not enough wisdom.
Well you are wrong, God has predetermined all things, to say otherwise is an attack to His being God Almighty.
 

Isaskar

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#59
Well you are wrong, God has predetermined all things, to say otherwise is an attack to His being God Almighty.
I want everyone reading this exchange to notice the difference, I provided Scripture in addition to common sense.

He provided "nuh-uh".... in other words, nothing.
 

brightfame52

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I want everyone reading this exchange to notice the difference, I provided Scripture in addition to common sense.

He provided "nuh-uh".... in other words, nothing.
You providing scripture doesnt mean anything if you dont understand it, which it appears you dont.