Allah and Christ

[Pilgrimshope]

Years ago we had a Saved Arab come and speak the truth about Islam. He warned us of Islam and quoted the Koran where it is commanded to kill Jews & Christians who do not 'repent' and turn to 'allah'.
This was a man who was born and raised in SA as a Muslim and knew the Koran by heart.
The teachings of Muhammad/Koran is to first infiltrate by making friends until your numbers(offspring) build to sufficient amount and then you go on Jihad to 'cleanse' the land and restore it unto allah.

This 'friends' movement has been going on now for years in the USA and will soon explode.[/QUOTE]

I did a pretty thorough look at anything their book said about our book and our belief and found those verses at least enough of them to convince me their doctrine is going to be the last great deception of the world before Christ comes ot descrobes the world bekng cleansed of Christians who won’t repent when Issa ( thier false Jesus ) Mohammed or allah I can’t remember ot was a long time ago but one of them comes forth and then a great “ cleansing “ of the world so allah can reign happens when everyone Jews Christians any other religion won’t convert will be beheaded or killed some other violent way

thier end is thier false god doing what Our true God in Christ will do

Islam is something that can’t co exist forever in the same world with Christianity or any other religion by thier scriptures because they say they must drive out and destroy anyone e who won’t convert willingly when he comes and shows the proof.

the Bible says the opposite that Christians will be heavily persecuted and slain and beheaded and things when the man of sin reveals himself and all the world will have to convert to the beasts religion ( his mark ) or they will be cut off from the powers of the world like makers and everything

all of it really fits together thier end is persecuting everyone who won’t convert and beheading “ the people of the book “ the Bible Christians and Jews.

and they have Muhammad prophesied to come ect another thing is that Islam is growing everywhere right now it’s like a rocket ship people converting to Islam

what’s the world gonna think and what a powerful delusion if “ Issa” shows up proclaiming “ allah “ ?

what a delusion and hard thing for people in general to resist right ? Convert or die because “ allah has shown himself to be true “ what tribulation it would be when all the converts in the world we’re commanded to turn on everyone else …..

but you know I’m just a dude hi likes to discuss theories in a Christian forum I understand the pc world we live in so it isn’t meant to insult anyone I’m specifically talking about the unholy scriptures thenself not Muslim people ect ect ….😇 so it’s just my own cooky theory also given that darn “ Dome of the rock “ in Jerusalem declaring God has no son sitting where his temple used to be

crazy coincidences

 

[Runningman]

Interesting point for this discussion is they in Islam they have end times eschatology too. They believe Jesus will return to fight the “false messiah.”

 

[Jocund]

If what is said in Islamic and Rabbinic Judaic scripture is true:

Allah is not the God of the Bible

The god of the Talmud is also not the God of the Bible

Both are false religions for rejecting the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ.

"And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins." - 1 Cor 15:17 KJV

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If what is said in Islamic and Rabbinic Judaic scripture is true:

Allah is not the God of the Bible

The god of the Talmud is also not the God of the Bible

Both are false religions for rejecting the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ.

"And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins." - 1 Cor 15:17 KJV

Amen

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[presidente]

Allah was one God amoung many.
Allah is a demon like all the other Muslim gods.

Now it is just Allah and his prophet mohammed.
Allah is a demon.

" allahu ackbar"
Is what is screamed when chopping off heads or a suicide bomber blows up jews and christians.

It translates " allah is greater" (than the christian and jewish God)

According to the Britannica website,

"Allah, Arabic Allāh (“God”), the one and only God in Islam.

Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilāh, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was il, el, or eloah, the latter two used in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). "

From
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Allah

Wikipedia says,
"Regional variants of the word Allah occur in both pagan and Christian pre-Islamic inscriptions."
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia#cite_note-:3-31

 

[presidente]

Allah is the male synonym to allat the moon goddes. Allah has nothing to do with Jesus or Jahovah.
Issa is Jesus in Arabic countries (Christians)

I've read that this was the case with the Sabeans. I haven't heard that Muhammad was a Sabean. Sabea was a bit further south on the peninsula, but probably quite a long way for them back then.

'El is used in the Old Testament to describe the true God in El-Elyon or El-Shaddai or other words to describe the true God. Yet the Ugarits had a concept of 'El, a head of a pantheon who got drunk and fell in his own excrement in one of their stories-- not the God of the Bible, but the same word was used.

Presumably the Samaritans used the same names for God, but Jesus said, 'ye worship ye know not what.'

In English, people use 'god' to describe the idols of Norse mythology. Hindus use it to describe some sort of concept of the universe.

 

[Nehemiah6]

According to the Britannica website,

Christians should not bother with Britannica or Wikipedia to determine the true nature of Allah and Islam. Go straight to the Koran (Qu'ran) and learn from the primary source.

Allah attacks Jesus the son of Mary thus: Sura 9: 31. They have taken their rabbis and their priests as lords instead of Allah, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. Although they were commanded to worship none but The One God. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him.

Allah says Islam must prevail over all religions: Sura 9:33. It is He [Allah] who sent His Messenger [Muhammad] with the guidance and the religion of truth, in order to make it prevail over all religions, even though the idolaters dislike it. [Note: According to the Koran Christians are idolaters because Jesus is not God and must not be an "associate" of God]

 

[justbyfaith]

I wonder if their 72 virgins were waiting for the suicide bombers in heaven?

Allah played a dirty trick on the muslims...because they are perpetual virgins...so if they want to have sex with them, they will find that in their heaven their lust will go unfulfilled.

Of course every muslim who never becomes a Christian will ultimately go to hell.

 

[presidente]

Christians should not bother with Britannica or Wikipedia to determine the true nature of Allah and Islam. Go straight to the Koran (Qu'ran) and learn from the primary source.

Since Christians were apparently calling God 'Allah before the Muslims, why would Al Qur'an be the standard?


The derivation for the English 'God' is more dubious. The origin seems a bit uncertain from what I have read, but it could have derived from the name of a pagan god. At least 'el and cognate 'illah were used more genericly.

 

[presidente]

Allah played a dirty trick on the muslims...because they are perpetual virgins...so if they want to have sex with them, they will find that in their heaven their lust will go unfulfilled.

Of course every muslim who never becomes a Christian will ultimately go to hell.

I am not sure about this, but I heard it was an Islamic belief that Muslims spend some time in hell, that they walk across a narrow and fall in for a while. Martyrdom (or death in jihad warfare) may be a supposed way around this.

But when I heard this teaching, I thought Muslims and evangelical Christians share a belief in common, that Muslims go to Hell.

 

[justbyfaith]

Anyone ever hear the joke about the three doors to hell?

behind door #1. a bunch of people standing on their heads on a cement floor.
door #2, a bunch if people knee-deep in poo-poo drinking coffee.
door #3, a bunch of people standing on their heads on pillows.

The man chooses door #2.

After the door is shut, the cry is made, "all right everyone, coffee break is over; back on your heads!"

 

[Gideon300]

I looked up that accusation against Brian Houston (trying to remember who he was) and this article disagrees with that assertion.
https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...believes-god-and-allah-are-the-same/36423.htm

Pentecostals in Barna surveys tend to have adherents that actually believe evangelical doctrines of the faith. There was one that separated out Assemblies of God, a large Pentecostal denomination, and 'Pentecostals' into two categories and they came up as having the highest percentages of people that said, "I believe...." with the various doctrines. I have not encountered Pentecostals who thought Islam was okay in any church anywhere.

But I did kind of 'mess with' some Assemblies of God folks online by asking them if they supported missionaries in the 'Assemblies of Allah.' American A/G folks are not usually aware that 'Allah' is used in the name of the denomination in Indonesian. It's in the standard Bible translation there.

I heard Brian Houston say that Islam is one of the Abrahamic religions with my own ears. I have to say that had to kick myself in case I was dreaming. Unfortunately not. He also stated that Christians and Muslims serve the same God. He walked that back when he was confronted with his statement.

https://www.eternitynews.com.au/aus...ng-to-islam-another-fast-growing-faith-group/

 

[Nehemiah6]

Since Christians were apparently calling God 'Allah before the Muslims, why would Al Qur'an be the standard?

Because that is THE REALITY OF ISLAM. There's no need to try and obfuscate this truth. According to Muslims, the Qur'an is Allah's Word. Here is how it begins (Sura 1)
1. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds.
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.
6. Guide us to the straight path

Then Sura 5:2: O you who believe! Do not violate Allah’s sacraments, nor the Sacred Month, nor the offerings, nor the garlanded, nor those heading for the Sacred House seeking blessings from their Lord and approval. When you have left the pilgrim sanctity, you may hunt. And let not the hatred of people who barred you from the Sacred Mosque incite you to aggression. And cooperate with one another in virtuous conduct and conscience, and do not cooperate with one another in sin and hostility. And fear Allah. Allah is severe in punishment.

 

[ewq1938]

Mohamed was white and was racist against people of color:

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Because that is THE REALITY OF ISLAM. There's no need to try and obfuscate this truth. According to Muslims, the Qur'an is Allah's Word. Here is how it begins (Sura 1)
1. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds.
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.
6. Guide us to the straight path

Then Sura 5:2: O you who believe! Do not violate Allah’s sacraments, nor the Sacred Month, nor the offerings, nor the garlanded, nor those heading for the Sacred House seeking blessings from their Lord and approval. When you have left the pilgrim sanctity, you may hunt. And let not the hatred of people who barred you from the Sacred Mosque incite you to aggression. And cooperate with one another in virtuous conduct and conscience, and do not cooperate with one another in sin and hostility. And fear Allah. Allah is severe in punishment.

Amen ! the Bible and thier scriptures do not jive and can’t co exist in the same world if both are fulfilled they are contrary and represent two seperate and contrary dieties on true ruling heaven and one false but powerful on earth for a time.

One god calling for domination by force when the time comes , the other God teaching peace until the very end , love one another and all men even your enemies . The other destroy your enemies and make the world clean of the infidels

 

[presidente]

Because that is THE REALITY OF ISLAM. There's no need to try and obfuscate this truth. According to Muslims, the Qur'an is Allah's Word. Here is how it begins (Sura 1)
1. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds.
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.
6. Guide us to the straight path

Then Sura 5:2: O you who believe! Do not violate Allah’s sacraments, nor the Sacred Month, nor the offerings, nor the garlanded, nor those heading for the Sacred House seeking blessings from their Lord and approval. When you have left the pilgrim sanctity, you may hunt. And let not the hatred of people who barred you from the Sacred Mosque incite you to aggression. And cooperate with one another in virtuous conduct and conscience, and do not cooperate with one another in sin and hostility. And fear Allah. Allah is severe in punishment.

None of that contradicts the idea that Allah is a pre-Muhammadan word for God used by millions of Christians today.

Is God Elohim?

 

[presidente]

I heard Brian Houston say that Islam is one of the Abrahamic religions with my own ears. I have to say that had to kick myself in case I was dreaming. Unfortunately not. He also stated that Christians and Muslims serve the same God. He walked that back when he was confronted with his statement.

https://www.eternitynews.com.au/aus...ng-to-islam-another-fast-growing-faith-group/

Religion professors might call it an 'Abrahamic religion'. I cringe more when people call Islam or Hinduism a 'faith'. If unbelieving g Jews sought righteousness not by faith why would Muhammadism or demon idol worship be faith.

As far as 'worship the same God' goes, let's consider Judaism again. Jesus said of some Pharisees who did not receive him that they claimed His Father was their God. I have read the assertion that unbelieving Jews do not worship the same God. I would say something is locking in their worship.

If a Christian says Muslims worship the same God but worship Him wrongly and has the wrong concept of God, is tgat worth dividing over? I don't use that terminology. But Muslins claim to worship the God of Abraham.

And if you are speaking to a Muslim in a language where the word for God is Allah then the you do not have to go loggerheads over whether their Allah is the same God as your Allah. You can share the Gospel without doing that and still talk about how their idea of God is wrong.

 

[infinitekhanol]

Actually your demonic Jacinda Ardern gives priority to Muslims over Christians. Getting back to your question, the best way to answer it is to go to the Koran (Qu'ran) and see for yourself exactly what Allah says about Christians and Jews.

Sura 5:51 O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies; some of them are allies of one another. Whoever of you allies himself with them is one of them. Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

Sura 9:30 The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are!

THE BASIS OF RADICAL ISLAM
Sura 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

There are many more similar Quranic verses.

How does their President give priority to Moslems? The President of a country is not only a president for the Christians only but a President for all citizens irrespective of religion. If this President is giving priority to Christians, what would have been your opinion?

 

[infinitekhanol]

It is the work of the deceiver and his menions world wide.

The more he can muddy the watters for Believers, the better his chance to deceive us.

Praise God! WE have a Lord who has OVERCOME the deceiver, death and the grave!

But we cannot take away the fact that Allah is the Moslem name for God, whether we like it or not.

 

[CherieR]

Perhaps the Muslim version goes:

"What can wash away our sin?

Nothing but the Blood of Christians."

There are plenty of peaceful Muslims out there who would not agree with that statement.