How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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The Revelation 20 resurrection is when the resurrection of all the dead in Christ takes place. Revelation 20 only focuses upon that one group but all the dead in Christ rise at that same time. Also, the dead are never raptured. The living are raptured, not resurrected and the dead are resurrected not raptured. The former dead descend from heaven with Christ, while the changed living saints ascend upwards from the Earth.
OK, if the living are raptured and receive glorified bodies, and the dead are resurrected and receive resurrected bodies, at the same time, how does the earth repopulate during the 1000 yrs?
Remember, only the saved are allowed into the 1000 yrs, as Matt. 25:31-46 says.
So it seems to me you have a problem to work out! Or you could take a look at the pre-trib theory that works perfectly!
Remember, only the saved are allowed into the 1000 yrs, as Matt. 25:31-46 says.
So it seems to me you have a problem to work out! Or you could take a look at the pre-trib theory that works perfectly!
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That's not even the part of the bible that talks about the thousand years! Sheesh, it's in Revelation 20.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations after Christ has returned not before it. Compare to this:
Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations for a thousand years does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.
No surprise that this matches what is found in the second coming passage in Revelation 19:
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Again we find the nations being ruled (future tense verb) by a rod of iron AFTER the second coming exactly as Premill teaches. If everyone is killed, who is going to be ruled over by the rod of iron in both passages? Obviously Amil's "global slaughter" theology is false.
There are things Jesus has to accomplish when he returns:
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
That is the rule of the rod of iron with his saints and it lasts a thousand years and that thousand years does not begin until he returns according to Rev 20 and Rev 2.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
The nations will come and worship before Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Only by the time of the end of the thousand year rod of iron rule over the nations does Christ deliver up the kingdom to his Father. The Father will destroy Satan's army with fire, throw Satan and the unsaved into the LOF then the saved will enter into the NHNE and the eternal kingdom.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations after Christ has returned not before it. Compare to this:
Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations for a thousand years does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.
No surprise that this matches what is found in the second coming passage in Revelation 19:
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Again we find the nations being ruled (future tense verb) by a rod of iron AFTER the second coming exactly as Premill teaches. If everyone is killed, who is going to be ruled over by the rod of iron in both passages? Obviously Amil's "global slaughter" theology is false.
There are things Jesus has to accomplish when he returns:
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
That is the rule of the rod of iron with his saints and it lasts a thousand years and that thousand years does not begin until he returns according to Rev 20 and Rev 2.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
The nations will come and worship before Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Only by the time of the end of the thousand year rod of iron rule over the nations does Christ deliver up the kingdom to his Father. The Father will destroy Satan's army with fire, throw Satan and the unsaved into the LOF then the saved will enter into the NHNE and the eternal kingdom.
And the passage from Matthew 24 is unrelated to the thousand years or who enters into it. However, the verses I posted are related to the thousand years and who enters it. You didn't even read my post. You replied far to fast and cannot debate against anything I posted so you throw out this lame non-response.
Right.
Jesus' response in both chapters (24-25) was NOT Him answering a question they were NOT asking (Matt24:3). They were asking Him about "the end of the age" (not "the end of the MK age," i.e. "the end of the age TO COME". NO.)
["the end of the age" ENDS at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth; "the age TO COME" follows that = the MK age]
Jesus' response in both chapters (24-25) was NOT Him answering a question they were NOT asking (Matt24:3). They were asking Him about "the end of the age" (not "the end of the MK age," i.e. "the end of the age TO COME". NO.)
["the end of the age" ENDS at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth; "the age TO COME" follows that = the MK age]
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OK, if that's the way you see it, I won't argue. There is no way we will ever see it the same!
Jesus plainly welcomed the saved into His kingdom and the saved were sent to everlasting punishment.
Meaning only the saved will enter into the 1000 year reign.
But I'm not going to argue, it is a total waste of time!
Jesus plainly welcomed the saved into His kingdom and the saved were sent to everlasting punishment.
Meaning only the saved will enter into the 1000 year reign.
But I'm not going to argue, it is a total waste of time!
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I think you are being "too sensitive" to what others are saying.
I say this because I care.
My intent is not to insult you or hurt your feelings.
If someone states some form of "It works both ways.", it only serves as a reminder that others may see your view in a similar way as you see theirs - only, from a different perspective.
It is a valid thing to say - it should not hurt anyone's feelings.
I really don't think anyone on here is against you [personally].
Some of us have some "pretty thick skin" when it comes to these discussions.
And, that is okay - as long as we have the proper caring attitude to go with it.
It seems that some of what is offending you - we would just call 'talking' - having a disussion.
Remember three things:
1) Someone who truly cares is going to tell you the truth even at the risk of hurting your feelings just-a-little-bit.
2) If you are going to "dish it out" - you better know how to "take it" just as well.
3) Everything you read on here is [just] someone's opinion. If you treat it as being anything else, then whatever misery you deal upon yourself is your fault.
We should be able to have disussions - expressing our opinions - without having all of the 'upset'.
So - calm down - "take a deep breath" - rest easy - discuss the topic without aggravation.
You keep saying this, but I question it. Based on my knowledge and experience, I would suggest that very-precious-few Christians understand much of anything "to speak of" about Revelation. And, "where I came from", very-precious-few Christians do not take the 1000 years literally...
What you are expressing here may be 'majority' where you are; however, I really don't think it is worldwide...
"Just 'sayin'..."
I say this because I care.
My intent is not to insult you or hurt your feelings.
If someone states some form of "It works both ways.", it only serves as a reminder that others may see your view in a similar way as you see theirs - only, from a different perspective.
It is a valid thing to say - it should not hurt anyone's feelings.
I really don't think anyone on here is against you [personally].
Some of us have some "pretty thick skin" when it comes to these discussions.
And, that is okay - as long as we have the proper caring attitude to go with it.
It seems that some of what is offending you - we would just call 'talking' - having a disussion.
Remember three things:
1) Someone who truly cares is going to tell you the truth even at the risk of hurting your feelings just-a-little-bit.
2) If you are going to "dish it out" - you better know how to "take it" just as well.
3) Everything you read on here is [just] someone's opinion. If you treat it as being anything else, then whatever misery you deal upon yourself is your fault.
We should be able to have disussions - expressing our opinions - without having all of the 'upset'.
So - calm down - "take a deep breath" - rest easy - discuss the topic without aggravation.
You keep saying this, but I question it. Based on my knowledge and experience, I would suggest that very-precious-few Christians understand much of anything "to speak of" about Revelation. And, "where I came from", very-precious-few Christians do not take the 1000 years literally...
What you are expressing here may be 'majority' where you are; however, I really don't think it is worldwide...
"Just 'sayin'..."
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