Why The Father has no beginning from the context of time

[Rondonmon]

Why did scripture say He was the king of a physical location, Salem?. Melchizedek was the king of Salem, Why would Jesus be the king of an earthly dominion?

Read it very closely, it says King of Salem, that IS King of Peace, in other words the word used for Salem means Peace.


#4532 Σαλήμ Salem {sal-ame'}

of Hebrew origin H8004; TDNT - n/a; n pr loc
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

Salem = "peace"
1) the place where Melchizedek was king and thought to be the ancient name of Jerusalem
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Of Hebrew origin [H8004]; Salem (that is, Shalem), a place in Palestine:—Salem.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

To whom 3739 also 2532 Abraham 11 gaue 3307 z5656 a tenth part 1181 of 575 all: 3956 first 4412 3303 being by interpretation 2059 z5746 king 935 of righteousnesse, 1343 and 1161 after that 1899 also 2532 king 935 of Salem, 4532 which is, 3603 z5748 king 935 of peace. 1515

Hebrew 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Its a Spiritual title, pointing towards a future title. Jesus will be King of Peace IN Jerusalem for 1000 years right?

So, first he's the King of Righteousness (which means Judgment comes FIRST) then afterwards he will be the King of Peace, where the Lamb lies down with the Wolf.

All of these things can be figured out because God never misleads us, we just do not always Grasp His brilliant understandings and His hints unto us.

So, Pilgrim gets turned around, he's heading south and thinks he's heading north. But then if someone says where is the North Star, SILENCE............Crickets.

 

[JaumeJ]

Salem is a variation of Shalom, peace. He is the King of Peace.

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

Read it very closely, it says King of Salem, that IS King of Peace, in other words the word used for Salem means Peace.


#4532 Σαλήμ Salem {sal-ame'}

of Hebrew origin H8004; TDNT - n/a; n pr loc
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

Salem = "peace"
1) the place where Melchizedek was king and thought to be the ancient name of Jerusalem
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Of Hebrew origin [H8004]; Salem (that is, Shalem), a place in Palestine:—Salem.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

To whom 3739 also 2532 Abraham 11 gaue 3307 z5656 a tenth part 1181 of 575 all: 3956 first 4412 3303 being by interpretation 2059 z5746 king 935 of righteousnesse, 1343 and 1161 after that 1899 also 2532 king 935 of Salem, 4532 which is, 3603 z5748 king 935 of peace. 1515

Hebrew 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Its a Spiritual title, pointing towards a future title. Jesus will be King of Peace IN Jerusalem for 1000 years right?

So, first he's the King of Righteousness (which means Judgment comes FIRST) then afterwards he will be the King of Peace, where the Lamb lies down with the Wolf.

All of these things can be figured out because God never misleads us, we just do not always Grasp His brilliant understandings and His hints unto us.

So, Pilgrim gets turned around, he's heading south and thinks he's heading north. But then if someone says where is the North Star, SILENCE............Crickets.

Check this picture out and the explanation from Wikipedia, Salem could also have been a territory governed by this priest.
Jesus's visit to this place happened only in Daniel's firy furnace. I surely cannot force Melchizedek to be the promised savior but I cannot rule out the possibility that it could have been him also.
I think he was a man and a priest and a friendly king to Abraham

 

[Nehemiah6]

My impression is that time did not exist prior to the fall.

That is incorrect. Time began as soon as creation began. Then on the fourth day of creation, the heavenly bodies (primarily the sun and the moon) were created thus: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: (Gen 1:14)

Days, years, and seasons are measures of time. But God already called each day of creation as the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth days (from sunset to sunset as per Hebrew reckoning). The Year of Man (Anno Hominis) began on the sixth day.

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

That is incorrect. Time began as soon as creation began. Then on the fourth day of creation, the heavenly bodies (primarily the sun and the moon) were created thus: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: (Gen 1:14)

Days, years, and seasons are measures of time. But God already called each day of creation as the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth days (from sunset to sunset as per Hebrew reckoning). The Year of Man (Anno Hominis) began on the sixth day.

Salem is a variation of Shalom, peace. He is the King of Peace.

These words were said by Melchizedek himself: the verse is from Genesis 14:

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine: and he was [is] the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, 'Blessed be Abram to the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth, And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand'. And he gave him tithe from all.

Those are the words of a man.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Those are the words of a man.

Melchizedek was actually the pre-incarnate Christ -- God the Son.

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

Melchizedek was actually the pre-incarnate Christ -- God the Son.

Jesus gave Abraham tithes? That theory couldn't be more untrue

 

[posthuman]

Time, space and matter have to come into existence simultaneously according to logic because if you have matter(object) where(space) will you put it and when(time) will you put it?

that only argues that time and space are prerequisite to matter.
but why can't time exist before space and matter?
is the motion of matter in space the only way time can exist?

 

[posthuman]

Jesus gave Abraham tithes? That theory couldn't be more untrue

it was Abram who gave Melchezedek a tenth of everything he had recovered.

 

[posthuman]

Why did scripture say He was the king of a physical location, Salem?. Melchizedek was the king of Salem, Why would Jesus be the king of an earthly dominion?

salem/salaam/shalom = 'peace'
Jerusalem = a contraction of 'Yah-jireh-shalom' = YHVH provides peace

At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD
(Jeremiah 3:17) ​

 

[posthuman]

I believe if we look at his name, Melkizedek, and we interpret it, King of Righteousness.. Then look at his further title, King of Peace, we will know this is Jesus Yeshua with no beginning and no end, the Alef and the Tau./

amen!

i learned that Aleph-mem-Tav is how to spell 'Truth'
the first, middle and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet
and He is THE TRUTH, the First and the Last, the Aleph and Tav

before the beginning and after the end, He is I AM
who is like Him?

♥

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus gave Abraham tithes? That theory couldn't be more untrue

Abraham gave tithes to Jesus. Check it out carefully. And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he [Abraham] gave him [Melchizedek] tithes of all. (Gen 14:20)

HEBREWS 7: ABRAHAM GAVE TITHES TO MELCHIZEDEK
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

Abraham gave tithes to Jesus. Check it out carefully. And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he [Abraham] gave him [Melchizedek] tithes of all. (Gen 14:20)

HEBREWS 7: ABRAHAM GAVE TITHES TO MELCHIZEDEK
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

If Paul wrote about Him then I do believe it was Jesus. Maybe Jesus met him because He knew Abraham was an important part of the plan of Salvation drawn by God and that later he would have to be reincarnated as a descendant of Abraham to die for the whole world.

 

[JTB]

That is incorrect. Time began as soon as creation began. Then on the fourth day of creation, the heavenly bodies (primarily the sun and the moon) were created thus: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: (Gen 1:14)

Days, years, and seasons are measures of time. But God already called each day of creation as the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth days (from sunset to sunset as per Hebrew reckoning). The Year of Man (Anno Hominis) began on the sixth day.

True, but when God says one of His days are as 1,000 of ours, and 1,000 of our days are as one of His, can you really tie our 'time' to be the same as His?

And again, God set the sun and moon to mark our days, yet He counted His days before He created the sun/moon.

And finally, before the fall man and creation were eternal. It was only after the fall that they became finite. I.E., that's when the clock started ticking for us.

Given these, I have a hard time correlating His days and our 'time' as being one and the same.

 

[Rondonmon]

True, but when God says one of His days are as 1,000 of ours, and 1,000 of our days are as one of His, can you really tie our 'time' to be the same as His?

Yes, God uses numbers and 7 and 10 mean completion, and anything TIMED by 10 places added EMPHASIS on COMPLETION. In other words the 144,000 are the same CODE as The Woman in Rev. 12, because its Fulness x Completion or 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents, which Zechariah 13:8-9 tells is is 1/3 of all the Jews, thus its 3-5 million Jews. When God says He has saved himself 7000 He's is really saying 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 which just means ALL Jews who eventually repent. The 10 Horns are not 10 kings,(Dan. 7) they are all the nations that make up Europe or the complete number thereof. The 10 Commandments stand for ALL God's Laws. The 10 Virgins stand for ALL Christendom, and only half will make the Rapture.

So, 1 day being like 1000 for God simply tells us God says He is Eternal, because one day is like ETERNITY for God because God has no time restraints on Him because he is not from this Universe, our Universe is our time construct, its all based off of our universe. Einstein proved is by proving Space Time was curved.

And again, God set the sun and moon to mark our days, yet He counted His days before He created the sun/moon.

And finally, before the fall man and creation were eternal. It was only after the fall that they became finite. I.E., that's when the clock started ticking for us.

Given these, I have a hard time correlating His days and our 'time' as being one and the same.

God set THE SEASONS and thus gave us our Days, Months, Years and Seasons by crashing the earth into the moon, and setting a satellite in place that created normal seasons via the stability that the moon gave the earth and thus normal seasons.

Creation can not be Eternal, LOL, you tripped yourself up here brother, anything created can not be ETERNAL by definition of having been created.

Our definition of TIME corelates with the Universe via a Space Time Construct.

 

[JTB]

Yes, God uses numbers and 7 and 10 mean completion, and anything TIMED by 10 places added EMPHASIS on COMPLETION. In other words the 144,000 are the same CODE as The Woman in Rev. 12, because its Fulness x Completion or 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents, which Zechariah 13:8-9 tells is is 1/3 of all the Jews, thus its 3-5 million Jews. When God says He has saved himself 7000 He's is really saying 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 which just means ALL Jews who eventually repent. The 10 Horns are not 10 kings,(Dan. 7) they are all the nations that make up Europe or the complete number thereof. The 10 Commandments stand for ALL God's Laws. The 10 Virgins stand for ALL Christendom, and only half will make the Rapture.

So, 1 day being like 1000 for God simply tells us God says He is Eternal, because one day is like ETERNITY for God because God has no time restraints on Him because he is not from this Universe, our Universe is our time construct, its all based off of our universe. Einstein proved is by proving Space Time was curved.



God set THE SEASONS and thus gave us our Days, Months, Years and Seasons by crashing the earth into the moon, and setting a satellite in place that created normal seasons via the stability that the moon gave the earth and thus normal seasons.

Creation can not be Eternal, LOL, you tripped yourself up here brother, anything created can not be ETERNAL by definition of having been created.

Our definition of TIME corelates with the Universe via a Space Time Construct.

Death did not afflict man or creation until after the fall. And if man never dies, is he not eternal?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Given these, I have a hard time correlating His days and our 'time' as being one and the same.

Time means nothing to God per se. But time is necessary for mankind and God's plan for mankind. And time "will be no more" after His plan is complete.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I believe if we look at his name, Melkizedek, and we interpret it, King of Righteousness.. Then look at his further title, King of Peace, we will know this is Jesus Yeshua with no beginning and no end, the Alef and the Tau./

have you noticed that he brought out bread and wine to Abraham when he blessed him ? Seems a figure for communion

I’ve heard that he is Jesus before , my own opinion is that he is an Old Testament figure of Christ. And not the reality of him.

“The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. …The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:14-22, 24-28‬ ‭

I don’t know if he actually” is “ mechezidek but the way I’m reading it he was made a priest after the similitude of melchezidek

I believe that Jesus is God and became high priest for us in melchezideks order and similitude , he would in my own thinking be a figure of the Christ in the ot

but honestly I mean this you could be right he could actually be Jesus , it’s pretty deep concept either way I think the importance is that Jesus our high priest in melchezideks order is not priest of the law but of the gospel

the covenant promising eternal life !!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Death did not afflict man or creation until after the fall. And if man never dies, is he not eternal?

Adam was offered life and chose death like many still do

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why did scripture say He was the king of a physical location, Salem?. Melchizedek was the king of Salem, Why would Jesus be the king of an earthly dominion?

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18

he is now