Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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Oh okay. ... that no repopulating will be needful in heaven during the millennium because all souls ever created will be there.
If you are looking at that in the post'trib view, then there is only one resurrection at or around the Second Coming.
ALL have been translated into glorified bodies, there are no natural bodies left to enter the 1000 year reign.
Do you see the dilemma of the post-trib view?
Interesting, I am never thought that far
It seem Pretriber believe in the melenial all people have glorified body, I don't know if that the case, seem to me only the ruler/Christian have glorified body and the people that being ruled have regular body. I may wrong
Why does the earth need to be repopulated? About half of the world's population will be killed during the Trib, but that means, at present count, about 3.5 billion people will enter the Millennium. No need for RE-population.
But since you seem to believe that ALL unbelievers will be killed by the end of the Trib, how do you account for the FACT that at the end of the Millennium, "all the nations" will rebel against Christ at Gog and Magog.
If living believers only survive the Trib and are the ONLY mortals living on the planet, when do you assume they will receive resurrection bodies? Remember that the Bible teaches that there will only be ONE resurrection of the saved. So do they even receive one, according to your position?
See Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23 and Rev 20:5.
May I ask... how are you defining the term "great tribulation"? As the second half of the seven years (per Matt24:15,21), or like many tend to do, define it as the entire 7 year period? I'm just wondering (so I'll be able to grasp what you mean when you say the DOTL starts then...) do you mean, the DOTL arrives at the start of the entire 7 yrs (as I see it), or do you mean that the DOTL only starts at mid-trib when the AOD takes place? Thanks. = )
First, I asked this:
"I'd LOVE to see any verse that shows Jesus taking resurrected/raptured believers to heaven.
Do you have one?"
Apparently you don't.
Now, to answer your question above. First, they don't "make it into the kingdom". They simply survive the Trib. They are mortals. They will be ruled by Jesus Christ "with a rod of iron".
Why would anyone think that mortal believers would need to be ruled with that rod of iron? It will be unbelievers who will be.
And given Matt 5, we know that in Christ's future kingdom reign, humans will be judged, NOT on the basis of the letter of the law, but on the basis of the spirit of the law.
And that explains WHY there will be such a world wide rebellion at the end.
It makes no sense why mortal believers ONLY who enter the kingdom would rebel.
No, that is not the "pre-tribber" viewpoint.
Pre-tribbers (I am one) believe there will be mortals who will ENTER the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (having made it through the entire Tribulation period as "still-alive" when Christ "RETURNS" to the earth Rev19) ; most pre-tribbers believe (as I do) that these mortals who will ENTER the MK age are "believers / saints" ONLY (no non-believers will ENTER the MK age... though children will be born to these "saints," and their children will not be "BORN automatically righteous"; it is these only [i.e. their children and grandchildren, etc] who will be the only ones susceptible to "death" in and during the MK age. "Death" will be much more rare, reserved only for the rebellious [/who are unsaved]).
This is not a post-trib dilemma because it is not truth according to the Scripture.
Remember, the LORD Himself is a "Post-Tribr" and gave the Commandment as to when His Second Coming is:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
Actually from what I have seen from scripture there will be far more than 1/2 of the population taken out.
Earth will have to populate in order for "the number who is the sand of sea" to rebel against Christ at the end of the 1000 reign of Christ.
Isaiah said that life goes on during this time with children playing in the streets.
This is impossible with the post-trib theory, but works perfectly with the pre-trib theory having 2 resurrections.
The "Day of the Lord" is God' wrath on this earth, beginning at the beginning of the 7 years of tribulation.
When Israel is betrayed by the anti-christ, and he sits in the temple declaring himself to be God, this marks the mid-point of the tribulation. This is the point when all hell breaks loose on this earth.
There will be massive lose of life during the first 3.5 years, but the second half, Jesus said if not for intervening (for Israel's sake/the elect) there would be no flesh left on earth. The second half of the tribulation will be the worst time this world has ever seen as far as destruction and death.
Agreed.
I find it helpful (to the readers) if we call the second half the trib the "GREAT tribulation" (as it IS in Scripture), rather than labeling the entire 7-yr period "great tribulation" (as you had, in your post), so that when we talk about the ARRIVAL point in time of "the DOTL," we can be clear that we mean, at the START of the "7-yrs" (rather than at its MID-point, as some believe to be the case when it comes to the "ARRIVAL" of the DOTL time period).
Thank you for clarifying your intention. = )
YEP, the word's of the LORD - "just conjecture" for the error of pre-trib to continue
Agreed.
I find it helpful (to the readers) if we call the second half the trib the "GREAT tribulation" (as it IS in Scripture), rather than labeling the entire 7-yr period "great tribulation" (as you had, in your post), so that when we talk about the ARRIVAL point in time of "the DOTL," we can be clear that we mean, at the START of the "7-yrs" (rather than at its MID-point, as some believe to be the case when it comes to the "ARRIVAL" of the DOTL time period).
Thank you for clarifying your intention. = )
Either way. The first 3.5 years will be the anti-christ establishing his kingdom, he will take what he wants and when he wants it in this first half. Untold millions will die all over this world as he takes over.
But the second half, when he declares himself to be God, and then turns to destroy Israel, the apple of God's eye, this is when God said in Ezekiel 38, "My fury shall come up in my face" this will be God' wrath on the nations (the world) as it has never been seen before on this earth. Thank God He promised the Church by faith we will escape this awful time.
Rev. 3:10
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
@Charlie24, I believe you and I agree that "the DOTL" ARRIVES at the START of the 7-yr Trib, rather than starting at its MID-point (MID-point and following being defined as the "great tribulation" per Matt24:21,15)
[WE / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" will not step ONE FOOT into "the DOTL" time period (commencing with the 7-yr Trib with its JUDGMENTS unfolding upon the earth)... AGREED! = ) ]
[WE / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" will not step ONE FOOT into "the DOTL" time period (commencing with the 7-yr Trib with its JUDGMENTS unfolding upon the earth)... AGREED! = ) ]
Thanks,
So you believe rapture before tribulation
- only believer being rapture
- being rapture mean have glorified body
- glorified body still able to marry and have children
Am I correct?
This is where the post-trib view fails to provide the natural body into the Kingdom Age for reproducing.
You have explained very nicely how the pre-trib view does allow this.
Kindly point out the verses that show that. Remember, I said "more or less".
I take my numbers from Rev 6:8 and Rev 9:15. What isn't clear from 6:8 is whether the "one-fourth of the earth" refers to population or geography. If geography, and depending where, it could obviously be a lot more.
We don't have to get so literal with figures of speech. It simpy means most or all of the population. It does say "the nations", so all could be included.
OK, sure. No problem for my view.
You will need to explain why, since I just said there is no problem with children in the streets.
Recall, living mortal unbelievers who survive the Trib will enter the Millennium. They will obviously continue to populate the earth.
However, if you take Matt 5 seriously, there's going to be a lot of capital punishment going on.