Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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FreeGrace2 said:
Speaking of "once", the Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of the saved occurs ONCE. There are NOT muliples of resurrections, or waves, or stages, or series of resurrections of the saved.

But pretribbers, who believe in a pretrib rapture MUST believe that.


Really? Can you back up your statement if you believe there are more than one resurrection of the saved?

Since I study the Bible intently, I sure want to know everything it teaches. So please help me out.
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You've already been shown that the post-trib view is in error! There is no way for the earth to repopulate with this theory!

You have been shown that in order for this to happen, there must be a gap of time in 2 resurrections!

You have been shown that the rapture Paul presents is separate from the resurrection of Rev. 20.

What else can we possibly show you for you to see?
 
Absolutely said:
"""This is extremely important. We know that with "resurrection" there is a "rapture" as well. So, the Bible says there is ONE event that will include the "rapture".

So now we can easily locate WHEN the "rapture" will occur...."""

In mat 24
Jesus placed the second coming on horses AFTER the trib.
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OK, just more rejection of what Scripture so clearly SAYS.

There is obviously a Second Advent AFTER the trib. And Matt 24 CLEARLY says there will be a "gathering", which coincides with 2 Thess 2:1.

What you can't really get around, is that Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15 and 1 Cor 15:23 all show a single resurrection (singular) of the saved.

Later in the same chapter;
Jesus placed the rapture "before the flood"..pretrib as well as the one taken/ left. (Before the flood).....AHEM....accompanied by " WATCH AND BE READY"
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Nonsense. Jesus made NO COMMENT about any "rapture". And there was no rapture before the flood.

Do you even understand what the REAL "rapture" or gathering is about? It is about living believers receiving their glorified bodies when Jesus comes to earth.

Does the account of the Great Flood reveal any of this? No.

Then 3 minutes later jesus places the rapture (5 wise virgins) in a pretrib setting.
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Regardless of your fascination with parables, which were meant to be OBSCURE, the Bible teaches there is only ONE resurrection of the saved. Not difficult to figure out when that will occur. Rev 20:5 tells us plainly: after the Trib.

But i know.....that needs changing huh?
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No, you don't know. It is YOUR mind that needs changing. Some would call it repentance.
 
Charlie24 said:
You've already been shown that the post-trib view is in error! There is no way for the earth to repopulate with this theory!

You have been shown that in order for this to happen, there must be a gap of time in 2 resurrections!

You have been shown that the rapture Paul presents is separate from the resurrection of Rev. 20.

What else can we possibly show you for you to see?
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Hey there, Charlie :) There is no repopulation in the Millennium (which begins in the twinkling of an eye after the 7th Trump).
 
Absolutely said:
Yeah beautiful how he changed "they lived and reigned with Christ"
Into

" they came to life"

Uh huh.
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Hey, since you seem to be so smart, can you explain how "they lived" and "they came to life" are so different, since the "they" refers to Tribulation martyrs in v.4.

So, iow, when a person who has literally lost his head (BE-headed) "lived and reigned", how come "came to life" isn't a legitimate rendering?

You guys step in it every single time
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You sure do. Every single time.
 
FreeGrace2 said:
Speaking of "once", the Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of the saved occurs ONCE. There are NOT muliples of resurrections, or waves, or stages, or series of resurrections of the saved.

But pretribbers, who believe in a pretrib rapture MUST believe that.

Really? Can you back up your statement if you believe there are more than one resurrection of the saved?

Since I study the Bible intently, I sure want to know everything it teaches. So please help me out.
Charlie24 said:
You've already been shown that the post-trib view is in error! There is no way for the earth to repopulate with this theory!
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No theory. There are at least 4 verses that plainly speak of THE resurrection of the saved. Only one.

To ease your mind regarding repopulating the earth, it is only a theory that there won't be anyone left after the Trib.

In fact, if you do the math going through the 3 sets of 7 wraths/judgments, approx HALF of the earth's population will be killed. That will leave about 3.5 billion people left, give or take a few.

It will be unbelievers who survive the Trib that will remain on earth and be ruled by an iron scepter. And THAT explains WHY there will be a world wide rebellion against Christ at the end of the Millennium. Read Rev 20.

Jesus Christ will have glorified EVERY believer from Adam on when He comes back at the Second Advent, and they will serve Him during His Millennial reign.

You have been shown that in order for this to happen, there must be a gap of time in 2 resurrections!
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I have NOT been shown any such thing. And that theory is refuted from Scripture that teaches there is only ONE resurrection of the saved.

btw, if there is a resurrection before the Trib, there CAN'T be another one after the Trib, since there is only one. So, that means that everyone who believes in Christ during the Trib will MISS OUT on the wedding supper and EVER getting a glorified body.

Meditate on that.

You have been shown that the rapture Paul presents is separate from the resurrection of Rev. 20.
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No I haven't . Where do you get such an idea?

What else can we possibly show you for you to see?
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I'd LOVE to see any verse that shows Jesus taking resurrected/raptured believers to heaven.

Do you have one?
 
Charlie24 said:
You've already been shown that the post-trib view is in error! There is no way for the earth to repopulate with this theory!

You have been shown that in order for this to happen, there must be a gap of time in 2 resurrections!

You have been shown that the rapture Paul presents is separate from the resurrection of Rev. 20.

What else can we possibly show you for you to see?
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Well here we go again!!!

1 Thess 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
 
iTheophilus said:
We’ll be in spiritual bodies, Charlie.
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AGREE - We who belong to Christ, will be transformed into His Glorious Image at His Second Coming - AMEN

The Glorified Saints do not repopulate the earth - but those whom the Lord chooses to spare and remain.

I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the Lord of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Isaiah 13
 
DavidTree said:
Well here we go again!!!

1 Thess 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
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How does the post-trib theory repopulate the millennium?
 
Charlie24 said:
How does the post-trib theory repopulate the millennium?
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“I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the Lord of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.
 
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Charlie24 said:
How does the post-trib theory repopulate the millennium?
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I’m not following, Charlie. . . (excuse me for interrupting, David)

@Charlie24 Just because the flesh body has died does not mean that the spiritual body has died. All spirits belong to God.

Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

- Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV)
 
iTheophilus said:
I’m not following, Charlie. . . (excuse me for interrupting, David)

@Charlie24 Just because the flesh body has died does not mean that the spiritual body has died. All spirits belong to God.

Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

- Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV)
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You never interupt me and i am always open for any and all to share as it is Life when the Spirit speaks thru us - Amen

YES, all spirits return to God - Amen

This means that ALL things of His Creation belong to HIM - Amen

Who do you see in Heaven in Revelation?
 
DavidTree said:
“I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the Lord of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.
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What???? Can you explain to me how the post-trib view repopulates the 1000 year reign of Christ as I have shown in previous posts how the pre-trib view does?
 
iTheophilus said:
I’m not following, Charlie. . . (excuse me for interrupting, David)

@Charlie24 Just because the flesh body has died does not mean that the spiritual body has died. All spirits belong to God.

Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

- Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV)
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Can you open my eyes to what you are relating this to?
 
FreeGrace2 said:
FreeGrace2 said:
Speaking of "once", the Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of the saved occurs ONCE. There are NOT muliples of resurrections, or waves, or stages, or series of resurrections of the saved.

But pretribbers, who believe in a pretrib rapture MUST believe that.

Really? Can you back up your statement if you believe there are more than one resurrection of the saved?

Since I study the Bible intently, I sure want to know everything it teaches. So please help me out.

No theory. There are at least 4 verses that plainly speak of THE resurrection of the saved. Only one.

To ease your mind regarding repopulating the earth, it is only a theory that there won't be anyone left after the Trib.

In fact, if you do the math going through the 3 sets of 7 wraths/judgments, approx HALF of the earth's population will be killed. That will leave about 3.5 billion people left, give or take a few.

It will be unbelievers who survive the Trib that will remain on earth and be ruled by an iron scepter. And THAT explains WHY there will be a world wide rebellion against Christ at the end of the Millennium. Read Rev 20.

Jesus Christ will have glorified EVERY believer from Adam on when He comes back at the Second Advent, and they will serve Him during His Millennial reign.


I have NOT been shown any such thing. And that theory is refuted from Scripture that teaches there is only ONE resurrection of the saved.

btw, if there is a resurrection before the Trib, there CAN'T be another one after the Trib, since there is only one. So, that means that everyone who believes in Christ during the Trib will MISS OUT on the wedding supper and EVER getting a glorified body.

Meditate on that.


No I haven't . Where do you get such an idea?


I'd LOVE to see any verse that shows Jesus taking resurrected/raptured believers to heaven.

Do you have one?
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There are three who disagree and only One who is with HE.
HS7 filled logic
religious logic
carnal logic

HS7 says:
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
proverbs 30:5-6
 
Charlie24 said:
What???? Can you explain to me how the post-trib view repopulates the 1000 year reign of Christ as I have shown in previous posts how the pre-trib view does?
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The Isaiah passage i qouted says Two distinct things about God judging man.

What are they
 
FreeGrace2 said:
FreeGrace2 said:
Speaking of "once", the Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of the saved occurs ONCE. There are NOT muliples of resurrections, or waves, or stages, or series of resurrections of the saved.

But pretribbers, who believe in a pretrib rapture MUST believe that.

Really? Can you back up your statement if you believe there are more than one resurrection of the saved?

Since I study the Bible intently, I sure want to know everything it teaches. So please help me out.

No theory. There are at least 4 verses that plainly speak of THE resurrection of the saved. Only one.

To ease your mind regarding repopulating the earth, it is only a theory that there won't be anyone left after the Trib.

In fact, if you do the math going through the 3 sets of 7 wraths/judgments, approx HALF of the earth's population will be killed. That will leave about 3.5 billion people left, give or take a few.

It will be unbelievers who survive the Trib that will remain on earth and be ruled by an iron scepter. And THAT explains WHY there will be a world wide rebellion against Christ at the end of the Millennium. Read Rev 20.

Jesus Christ will have glorified EVERY believer from Adam on when He comes back at the Second Advent, and they will serve Him during His Millennial reign.


I have NOT been shown any such thing. And that theory is refuted from Scripture that teaches there is only ONE resurrection of the saved.

btw, if there is a resurrection before the Trib, there CAN'T be another one after the Trib, since there is only one. So, that means that everyone who believes in Christ during the Trib will MISS OUT on the wedding supper and EVER getting a glorified body.

Meditate on that.


No I haven't . Where do you get such an idea?


I'd LOVE to see any verse that shows Jesus taking resurrected/raptured believers to heaven.

Do you have one?
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How do the unbelievers make it into the Kingdom reign according to Matt. 25:31-46?
 
DavidTree said:
The Isaiah passage i qouted says Two distinct things about God judging man.

What are they
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It says what you are misinterpreting! Isaiah is speaking of the destruction of Babylon and then looks into the future beginning with 13:6-18. He is quoting God and this interlude is God speaking of the great tribulation, the giveaway is vs. 6,

Isa. 13:6

"Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty."

There is only ONE "day of the Lord." It is when the great tribulation begins.
 
Charlie24 said:
It says what you are misinterpreting! Isaiah is speaking of the destruction of Babylon and then looks into the future beginning with 13:6-18. He is quoting God and this interlude is God speaking of the great tribulation, the giveaway is vs. 6,

Isa. 13:6

"Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty."

There is only ONE "day of the Lord." It is when the great tribulation begins.
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Well, if that is all you can see then you will miss out on the rest that God is saying there and pertaining to the question of:

"Who will repopulate the earth?"

Got to Go now - see ya later
 
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