THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

[Roughsoul1991]

Agreed, however, the passage is not talking about eternal salvation, but being saved from being deceived. Eve as deceived. Adam was not deceived. Paul is using them as examples.

Adam is suspected to have done worse than the women. After all it was when Adam chose to eat of the fruit that sin entered the world. God told Adam but never directly told Eve which leaves us to wonder how well did Adam enforce the command.

Adam wasn't deceived but did much worse. He knowingly chose to rebel against God.


Romans 5:12
New International Version
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

 

[John146]

Adam is suspected to have done worse than the women. After all it was when Adam chose to eat of the fruit that sin entered the world. God told Adam but never directly told Eve which leaves us to wonder how well did Adam enforce the command.

Adam wasn't deceived but did much worse. He knowingly chose to rebel against God.


Romans 5:12
New International Version
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Adam chose to sin to be with his wife. He was not deceived. The woman was deceived. Adam is a figure of Jesus Christ. Why did the serpent choose to deceive Eve instead of Adam? The woman is more vulnerable to deception.

 

[Mem]

Adam chose to sin to be with his wife. He was not deceived. The woman was deceived. Adam is a figure of Jesus Christ. Why did the serpent choose to deceive Eve instead of Adam? The woman is more vulnerable to deception.

Do you suppose this is perhaps because she trusts to readily? Women, typically, being less prone toward violence are more prone to being violated, which is of course is exasperated by their more delicate conditions whose outcome of either well or ill-being are inherently dependent upon the either the male's protective or exploitative disposition.

"From the days of John the baptist, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force." This is too often taught as a commendation of the violent.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Adam chose to sin to be with his wife. He was not deceived. The woman was deceived. Adam is a figure of Jesus Christ. Why did the serpent choose to deceive Eve instead of Adam? The woman is more vulnerable to deception.

Yes Adam was worse. He chose to out of knowing and not deception. Where does it say the women is more vulnerable? I believe you read that into the text. It simply says she was deceived. Any other thought is speculation.

 

[p_rehbein]

Phoebe did not hold the office of a deacon, but rather was a servant of the church. There is a difference.

Romans 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

You really are blind to the truth.......sigh........

 

[p_rehbein]

Romans 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

You argue strawman words.......without understanding of Scripture.

Yet, this is not the worst thing you do.

The WORST THING you do is to ignore the damage you and Church Leaders like you have done to the women of the Church. You fail to address this because you have no excuse for your/their actions against women.

The WHOLE POINT of this Thread was to address the terrible things you and men like you have done to the women in your Church Congregations. Yet, you deflect the TRUE reason for the Thread to try and justify your arcaich and ignorant position on Scripture.

EVEN IF your versin was correct..........IT ONLY MAGNIFIES what you and men like you have done to the women in your Church Congregations. Your own words condemn you!

 

[John146]

Yes Adam was worse. He chose to out of knowing and not deception. Where does it say the women is more vulnerable? I believe you read that into the text. It simply says she was deceived. Any other thought is speculation.

What is not speculation is Adam was not deceived. He knew what he was doing. The woman being deceived was in the transgression. The only way for Adam to be with his wife was to choose to sin. Jesus became sin for us who knew no sin. What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam accomplished. The first Adam could not redeem his wife. But he loved her and wanted to be with her. That’s why he chose to eat and fall.

 

[John146]

You argue strawman words.......without understanding of Scripture.

Yet, this is not the worst thing you do.

The WORST THING you do is to ignore the damage you and Church Leaders like you have done to the women of the Church. You fail to address this because you have no excuse for your/their actions against women.

The WHOLE POINT of this Thread was to address the terrible things you and men like you have done to the women in your Church Congregations. Yet, you deflect the TRUE reason for the Thread to try and justify your arcaich and ignorant position on Scripture.

EVEN IF your versin was correct..........IT ONLY MAGNIFIES what you and men like you have done to the women in your Church Congregations. Your own words condemn you!

What has scripture done to women? That’s God. Don’t blame man for following the word. God is a God of order. The husband is head of the wife as Christ is the church. The relationship should point us to Him. You would rather have it your way.

 

[Dino246]

Adam chose to sin to be with his wife. He was not deceived. The woman was deceived. Adam is a figure of Jesus Christ. Why did the serpent choose to deceive Eve instead of Adam? The woman is more vulnerable to deception.

Nothing in the text even hints that Adam sinned to be with Eve, or that the woman is more vulnerable to deception. Once again you are engaging in eisegesis.

 

[John146]

Nothing in the text even hints that Adam sinned to be with Eve, or that the woman is more vulnerable to deception. Once again you are engaging in eisegesis.

Proper study is to bring in other passages to define what is really going on. God usually doesn’t give all the information in one passage. You know this. Something about Adam’s sin made him a figure of Jesus Christ. I have a whole study on comparing the first Adam and the second Adam if you are really interested.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

 

[Dino246]

Proper study is to bring in other passages to define what is really going on. God usually doesn’t give all the information in one passage. You know this. Something about Adam’s sin made him a figure of Jesus Christ. I have a whole study on comparing the first Adam and the second Adam if you are really interested.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

You focused on what I did not address, and dodged what I did.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

What is not speculation is Adam was not deceived. He knew what he was doing. The woman being deceived was in the transgression. The only way for Adam to be with his wife was to choose to sin. Jesus became sin for us who knew no sin. What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam accomplished. The first Adam could not redeem his wife. But he loved her and wanted to be with her. That’s why he chose to eat and fall.

What is not speculation is Adam was not deceived. He knew what he was doing.

Glad you agree this is what I been saying.

The woman being deceived was in the transgression.

She sinned just as Adam. Both sinned, one out of deception while the other knowingly.

This is just my opinion but choosing to din versus being tricked or decieved sounds worse.

But he loved her and wanted to be with her. That’s why he chose to eat and fall.

your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

I do not see love being the motive but instead to gain knowledge and be like God.

Same mentality at the Tower of Babel. Mankind has this obsession to be the God of their life or to rule over others in a God like status. History has shown this time and time again.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You focused on what I did not address, and dodged what I did.

Jokingly,
He could be a runnerback in the NFL with those jukes. Professional indeed.

 

[John146]

Glad you agree this is what I been saying.



She sinned just as Adam. Both sinned, one out of deception while the other knowingly.

This is just my opinion but choosing to din versus being tricked or decieved sounds worse.



your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

I do not see love being the motive but instead to gain knowledge and be like God.

Same mentality at the Tower of Babel. Mankind has this obsession to be the God of their life or to rule over others in a God like status. History has shown this time and time again.

See post #470

 

[John146]

You focused on what I did not address, and dodged what I did.

I answered your exact question with scripture. That's on you whether you believe it or not.

 

[proverbs35]

What is not speculation is Adam was not deceived. He knew what he was doing. The woman being deceived was in the transgression. The only way for Adam to be with his wife was to choose to sin. Jesus became sin for us who knew no sin. What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam accomplished. The first Adam could not redeem his wife. But he loved her and wanted to be with her. That’s why he chose to eat and fall.

Adam and Eve BOTH transgressed (sinned) in the garden. Rom 5: 12-19
Eve did not transgress by herself.

What verse tells us that Adam loved Eve?

What verse tells us that Adam sinned (ate the forbidden fruit) so he could be with Eve?

Adam listened to Eve and ate the forbidden fruit. What verse tells us WHY Adam listened to Eve and ate the fruit.

What verse tells us Adam's motive for eating the fruit?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

See post #470

What about it?

 

[Dino246]

I answered your exact question with scripture. That's on you whether you believe it or not.

I did not ask a question. I pointed out the fact that you engaged in eisegesis. Your “support” of your claims doesn’t hold water. The fact that Christ died for the church does not say anything about Adam specifically. It’s speculation, not truth.

 

[SophieT]

It would mean that a woman without children may be more susceptible to deception. Salvation is not the context of the passage.

too bad you can't have children

it could help your deception

ps...your personal interpretations are not scripture...part of the problem you are having may be that you think they are

 

[SophieT]

Agreed, however, the passage is not talking about eternal salvation, but being saved from being deceived. Eve as deceived. Adam was not deceived. Paul is using them as examples.

that's fine. continue to ignore scripture and make childish excuses