How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[Charlie24]

I see his commentary, but that isn't consistent with the textbook definition of parerchomai. Bible commentaries, while can be very useful and insightful, are not gospel and do contain errors. Just look up parerchomai in the Strong's or will Google translate.

No matter what is shown or what anything says, we are not going to see this the same, period!

What helps me to believe my side is 2 Peter 3:7

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

I see this as a type of storing of earth until judgement when the fire Peter speaks of brings a change, a passing away of the old to a second state of being as the days before Adam fell and sin entered this world, back when the earth was perfect in all its ways as created by God. I do not see an inhalation of the earth.

But there is no way we will see it the same.

 

[Charlie24]

But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

the LORD is not a 'pre-tribr' therefore the Scriptures do not bend for 'pre-trib' doctrine to be injected into it.

Ask yourself these questions:
Why does the Lord never mention a pre-trib rapture?
Why do the Apostles never mention a pre-trib rapture?
Why do the Prophets never mention a pre-trib rapture?

Well, I'm thinking because Paul said it was a mystery, not just what would happen but how it would happen.

The rest never mention a word of it, that being because I think it was only given to Paul.

I think you need to find a way to repopulate the earth with that post-trib view that will fit in scripture is what I think!

 

[Rondonmon]

OH BROTHER of self-inflicted error - how will you ever SEE the Truth that is right in front of you???

i KNOW - get rid of the idol that blinds you.............

In Noah's Day, the Rain is the WRATH of God falling upon the earth for the very FIRST Time in World History.

Genesis clearly describes when the Trouble came for the world even prior to Noah.

REPENT

You sir are a laugh a minute machine, put in a dime and get the giggles. You cant defend anything when I destroy every bad understanding you have, thus you dodge and run.

You are wrong on the timing of the Rapture, and yo are so bullheaded you will always be wrong, and thus one day you will have to answer for misleading people.

 

[DavidTree]

Well, I'm thinking because Paul said it was a mystery, not just what would happen but how it would happen.

The rest never mention a word of it, that being because I think it was only given to Paul.

I think you need to find a way to repopulate the earth with that post-trib view that will fit in scripture is what I think!

Repopulation is easy peasy pie Brother

God populated with just 2 = 1 male + 1 female

After God destroyed the world with the Flood - God repopulated with just (8) = 4m + 4f

There will be far more then 8 left when the LORD Returns.

PEACE

 

[Charlie24]

Repopulation is easy peasy pie Brother

God populated with just 2 = 1 male + 1 female

After God destroyed the world with the Flood - God repopulated with just (8) = 4m + 4f

There will be far more then 8 left when the LORD Returns.

PEACE

Where do they come from considering the one resurrection you preach glorifies everyone saved, and the unsaved are sent to everlasting punishment at the Second Coming by Christ in Matt. 24:31-46?

 

[DavidTree]

You sir are a laugh a minute machine, put in a dime and get the giggles. You cant defend anything when I destroy every bad understanding you have, thus you dodge and run.

You are wrong on the timing of the Rapture, and yo are so bullheaded you will always be wrong, and thus one day you will have to answer for misleading people.

Here is the Eternal Commandment - Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

When you follow His Instructions, you avoid be held accountable for falsehood.

PEACE

 

[DavidTree]

Where do they come from considering the one resurrection you preach glorifies everyone saved, and the unsaved are sent to everlasting punishment at the Second Coming by Christ in Matt. 24:31-46?

There is understanding from the Scriptures that many seem to be overlooking - PEACE

 

[Charlie24]

There is understanding from the Scriptures that many seem to be overlooking - PEACE

I suppose you are off to find that misunderstanding and you plan to get back with us soon?

 

[Runningman]

No matter what is shown or what anything says, we are not going to see this the same, period!

What helps me to believe my side is 2 Peter 3:7

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

I see this as a type of storing of earth until judgement when the fire Peter speaks of brings a change, a passing away of the old to a second state of being as the days before Adam fell and sin entered this world, back when the earth was perfect in all its ways as created by God. I do not see an inhalation of the earth.

But there is no way we will see it the same.

Fair enough. Whether the Earth is annihilated then recreated or refurbished it is effectively made new one way or another. I'm sure we can agree the Earth is ultimately made new. We're just splitting hairs at this point.

Back to the original question about Matthew 25:31-46. You see the goat and sheep judgment occuring on Earth right? Where is the eternal fire (the same fire that is prepared for the devil and his angels) the goats go to then?

Note: Revelation 20:10 says the devil is cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Runningman]

Fair enough. Whether the Earth is annihilated then recreated or refurbished it is effectively made new one way or another. I'm sure we can agree the Earth is ultimately made new. We're just splitting hairs at this point.

Back to the original question about Matthew 25:31-46. You see the goat and sheep judgment occuring on Earth right? Where is the eternal fire (the same fire that is prepared for the devil and his angels) the goats go to then?

Note: Revelation 20:10 says the devil is cast into the lake of fire.

At the GWTJ, Revelation 20:15 says that those not found in the book of life go to the lake of fire.

 

[Charlie24]

Fair enough. Whether the Earth is annihilated then recreated or refurbished it is effectively made new one way or another. I'm sure we can agree the Earth is ultimately made new. We're just splitting hairs at this point.

Back to the original question about Matthew 25:31-46. You see the goat and sheep judgment occuring on Earth right? Where is the eternal fire the goats go to then?

I agree, Brother, it doesn't matter!

If we take the scripture literally concerning these things, as we should, there is no call for spiritualizing the lake of fire, it would be in the core of the earth. In scripture terms, "beneath."

Isa. 14:7-9

"The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations."

Now, hell and the lake of fire are not the same, but the scripture says that hell is cast into the lake of fire.

I believe that place is in the same location, "beneath."

 

[DavidTree]

I suppose you are off to find that misunderstanding and you plan to get back with us soon?

I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the Lord of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Isaiah 13:11-13

 

[Charlie24]

I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the Lord of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Isaiah 13:11-13

Isaiah is quoting the Lord, the future wrath of God on man during the last half of the tribulation.

This is His anger when the nations of the world gather together under the anti-christ to wipe out His chosen people of Israel.

The lose of life will be so great, man will be as scarce as the golden wedge of Ophir on this earth!

 

[ewq1938]

Satan is prince of the 'world', but he is not King.

You haven't studied that word properly. Satan is the king or ruler of this world.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.



Prince here doesn't mean second in command or something like we think in modern English, it means the ruler, the first in rank or power:

G758
a?´????
archo¯n
ar'-khone
Present participle of G757; a first (in rank or power): - chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.


G758
a?´????
archo¯n
Thayer Definition:
1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: present participle of G757
Citing in TDNT: 1:488, 81

 

[ewq1938]

Well, I'm thinking because Paul said it was a mystery, not just what would happen but how it would happen.

The rest never mention a word of it, that being because I think it was only given to Paul.

I think you need to find a way to repopulate the earth with that post-trib view that will fit in scripture is what I think!

The earth won't need "repopulating" because it is already populated at the beginning of the thousand years.

 

[DavidTree]

Isaiah is quoting the Lord, the future wrath of God on man during the last half of the tribulation.

This is His anger when the nations of the world gather together under the anti-christ to wipe out His chosen people of Israel.

The lose of life will be so great, man will be as scarce as the golden wedge of Ophir on this earth!

Anything stand out to you concerning our conversation?

 

[ewq1938]

This is His anger when the nations of the world gather together under the anti-christ to wipe out His chosen people of Israel.

The Antichrist doesn't go after faithless Israel. They already belong to him as do all unbelievers. The AC only targets Christians like these:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Charlie24]

Anything stand out to you concerning our conversation?

Yes, but I don't want to say it. Sometimes silence is golden!

 

[Charlie24]

Anything stand out to you concerning our conversation?

 

[Charlie24]

The Antichrist doesn't go after faithless Israel. They already belong to him as do all unbelievers. The AC only targets Christians like these:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, I'll take a look at that too.