Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue
in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control. 1 Timothy 2:15
THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH
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in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control. 1 Timothy 2:15
Yes this is what I am referring to. But in context the verses above are used to support submission of women among men in the church.
But in reality this is a odd statement as women are not saved through childbearing at least defined as salvation. Salvation comes from faith in Jesus and Jesus alone not through the way of reproduction.
So I'm curious to those who teach women submission in teaching, who say the women must be silent, they must not have short or shaved hair, they must not wear expensive clothing (define expensive), must not wear jewelry, and be saved through childbearing. Must not be overseers, deacons, etc.
Is this what they teach for the women? Or did I miss any restrictions?
Yes, the "if" is important. "Saved in childbearing" - saved from what? The context implies saved from deception. It is amazing how much wiser a woman gets after she has had children. Remember, the context of salvation is not always eternal.
Childbearing saves a women from deception? I have never heard salvation through childbearing or that a mother is wiser salvationally than a women who isn't a mother.
How is salvation not always eternal?
Without studying the passage in detail it almost sounds like because of a woman through childbearing the Savior came forth of a virgin and this saves the women of her original sin.
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hit a nerve?
this thread is not about your private life or wife. it is about women in ministry
your post is just another red flag about your attitudes
Example...physical salvation.
Acts 27:31 Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved.
Legalists... seems there is no shortage of lists for do's and don'ts.
The New Testament does not support an extended church hierarchy covering large geographical areas.
Just showing that I have the utter most respect for women. That's absurd to say otherwise. I simply go with what the Bible says, not what I want it to say. It's funny, no one searches the Greek when the verse is for them, but as soon as they disagree....let me go search the Greek and choose an alternated word or definition.
Oh for sure. I do believe debate in this format is good as long as we do not replace our efforts towards the harvest.
Debate helps to defeat heresies or if done properly can help each individual learn. To learn more about what they believe or how others believe. Your beliefs will either hold or crumble if measured against the Word of God and a well educated believer in the Word.
Aren't you a KJ onlyist? I don't see anything in the Bible about being a KJ onlysit
Absolutely I am. I believe God has preserved His words for us in English through the KJV. I'm not into changing it, just believing it...every word.
I do believe the modern church has grown into a religion' that lies in the Latin word ligare, or to bind.
To bind to what? A long list of dos and don't when that is the very thing in Acts 15 they wanted to avoid.
Who is no one? Do you have evidence of this? Quite broad to say people only study that in depth when they disagree.
Every word has not been properly translated in the KJV from the original languages.
But KJ onlyists are loathe to admit to any failings of their beloved version.
To the point of being completely irrational when it comes to other translations.
And childbearing brings her salvation because through reproduction she now becomes wiser and more mature in faith no longer led astray? But only if in childbearing and remaining in faith?
It doesn't need to be, only the precise English words. Cannot God preserved His words in any language He desires? Is God limited to only the originals?