How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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When Jesus spoke in Matt24:15[21] about "the abomination [singular] of desolation [singular] spoken of by Daniel the prophet"... He was referencing the "abomination [singular] of desolation [singular]" in Daniel 12:11 [He could ONLY have been referencing this mention of it] ("abomination [singular] of desolation [singular] SET UP [H5414]"-Dan12:11)... so, I see these time-slots in these two contexts as correlating. ("the GREAT tribulation" aka the last half of the future Trib yrs)
(see also the wording in Dan12:1 alluding to what Matt24:21 does, similarly; and note the 8-10 "BLESSED" references, Dan12:12 being among them, which all connect [i.e. contexts describing entrance into the earthly MK age])
(see also the wording in Dan12:1 alluding to what Matt24:21 does, similarly; and note the 8-10 "BLESSED" references, Dan12:12 being among them, which all connect [i.e. contexts describing entrance into the earthly MK age])
Yes, but context is also important.
Assuming every [some-particular-word] in the Bible is always used in the same way, means the [exact] same thing, has all of the same characteristics, etc. - is not conducive to a proper interpretation.
In your example above, it may certainly apply and make sense; however, within a parable, for example, is a different context.
In the 'ten virgins' passage, a virgin is an unmarried woman. To assign characteristics from outside that context to [the word] 'virgin' can alter the context - and, thereby, the interpretation. If we only assign characteristics that are found in the context of that passage, a correct interpretation is more probable.
Assuming every [some-particular-word] in the Bible is always used in the same way, means the [exact] same thing, has all of the same characteristics, etc. - is not conducive to a proper interpretation.
In your example above, it may certainly apply and make sense; however, within a parable, for example, is a different context.
In the 'ten virgins' passage, a virgin is an unmarried woman. To assign characteristics from outside that context to [the word] 'virgin' can alter the context - and, thereby, the interpretation. If we only assign characteristics that are found in the context of that passage, a correct interpretation is more probable.
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If you are saying (as I do) that the one "taken" is "taken away in judgment" (just as in the days of Noah) and the other "left" is NOT taken away in judgment (just as in the days of Noah), then you and I agree on this passage (To be clear: I hold the "pre-trib" viewpoint).
Where you and I differ is that I do not believe this is a "rapture" passage/context (whereas you might believe it is), but rather is speaking to His Second Coming to the earth / His "RETURN" to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (when ppl [saints/believers ONLY] in mortal bodies will "FILL the whole earth"... just as in Noah's day--Compare Dan2:35c and Gen9:1 "[actively] FILL / FILLED the [whole] earth"), commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth (Rev19; Lk12:36-37 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" THEN the meal [G347]; etc... many other related passages...)
Where you and I differ is that I do not believe this is a "rapture" passage/context (whereas you might believe it is), but rather is speaking to His Second Coming to the earth / His "RETURN" to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (when ppl [saints/believers ONLY] in mortal bodies will "FILL the whole earth"... just as in Noah's day--Compare Dan2:35c and Gen9:1 "[actively] FILL / FILLED the [whole] earth"), commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth (Rev19; Lk12:36-37 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" THEN the meal [G347]; etc... many other related passages...)
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Wow! It'll be a repeat of Noah's days!
Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
To understand the New Testament, I suppose we need to know some Old Testament material. So who was getting married and who was giving in marriage?
Genesis 6:1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
It was the sons of God, the fallen angels, that took as wives the daughters of Adam. So pervasive were the fallen angels in their marrying with Adam's offspring, that after several generations, only one family, Noah's, was left untouched.
In Gen. 6:9 it is written that Noah was "perfect" in his generations; in other words, he had a pure, uncorrupted pedigree. The rest had intermarried with the angels, the offspring of which produced giants. As we know, God caused the flood of Noah to rid the earth of these giants and maintain a pure strain of humans not contamnated by the angels.
Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Who was it that KNEW NOT and was "taken" away? It was those who were partaking in the marrying and giving in marriage. It will be just like that prior to Christ's return!
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Again, who is being taken away? Those who KNOW NOT, those partaking in the marrying and giving in marriage.
Marriage with whom? Yes, marriage with the fallen angels that are cast to the earth with Satan, the false-christ. Only this time, it's a spiritual marriage.
These are same angels of Gen. 6 we just read about.
Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
There is another "flood" coming … Did you know that? Only this flood is a flood of lies spewed forth by Satan himself.
Rev. 12:15-16 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
I have a couple questions pertaining to what you've put.
To me, the above verse, saying, "...Satan, the one deceiving [present participle] the whole world...," sounds like it's referring to that which Satan "does" (is ever occupied with) even before he will be "cast down" unto the earth (when there will be "1260 days" remaining until Christ's "return" to the earth / Rev19)... doesn't it sound so? I mean, like this verse isn't suggesting this is what he'll do ONLY AFTER being "cast down" unto the earth and his angels cast out with him (when "1260 days" will be remaining). Thoughts?
My question here is, are you saying that "the woman" is identified as "the whole world"... or that "the woman" is identified more narrowly, and that you mean she ("the woman" in this text) is a part of the whole rest of the world which will also be deceived (or at least as Satan's objective anyway)... ?
I am uncertain of your meaning, by the way you've written it above, so I wondered (I'm curious how you're seeing this). Thanks. = )
[and please excuse my dense-ness
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To me, the above verse, saying, "...Satan, the one deceiving [present participle] the whole world...," sounds like it's referring to that which Satan "does" (is ever occupied with) even before he will be "cast down" unto the earth (when there will be "1260 days" remaining until Christ's "return" to the earth / Rev19)... doesn't it sound so? I mean, like this verse isn't suggesting this is what he'll do ONLY AFTER being "cast down" unto the earth and his angels cast out with him (when "1260 days" will be remaining). Thoughts?
My question here is, are you saying that "the woman" is identified as "the whole world"... or that "the woman" is identified more narrowly, and that you mean she ("the woman" in this text) is a part of the whole rest of the world which will also be deceived (or at least as Satan's objective anyway)... ?
I am uncertain of your meaning, by the way you've written it above, so I wondered (I'm curious how you're seeing this). Thanks. = )
[and please excuse my dense-ness
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My understanding is that these verses are specifically end-time related (even though Satan, from the very beginning, has always had the same methods of operation—he has been after the "seed" of the woman from the start.
The "woman" is us—me and you—the “woman” is anyone who professes to be a Christian, including Gentiles who accept the Lord Jesus Christ because they have been grafted in and become a member of the Israelite tree. We shall then be the target of Satan's deluge of falsehoods and deceptions.
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Thank you for explaining your viewpoint. I believe I grasp your meaning now.
BTW, I fairly agree on the "flood" of this passage referring to "deception" and the like.
FTR... personally, I see "the woman" and "the male [G730] / the man child" and "the remnant of her seed" to be three distinct [groupings of] persons (for lack of a better way of saying it at the moment):
--verses 4-6 (especially) "4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up [G726] unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
[reflective of the content of the second dream of Joseph in Genesis 37:9-10 (paralleling the events leading up to and surrounding Christ's Second Coming to the earth / His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19); And I believe this reference to "fled" in verse 6 correlates with the instruction to "flee" at a certain point, spoken of in Matthew 24:16 / "your flight" verse 20, addressing specifically "them which be in Judaea"]
--verse 13 "[...which had brought forth] the male [G730 - arsena / arren]"
[referring to the birth (etc) of "the male [G730]" having taken place "at some point prior to this mid-trib point" when there are yet 1260 days remaining]
--verse 17 "the remnant of her seed"
[correlating with Micah 5:3's "remnant" (the birth in this verse 3 being distinct from verse 2's Subject about Jesus' own Birth; and the "remnant" in v.3 being distinct from both of those)]
That's how I see it. = )
BTW, I fairly agree on the "flood" of this passage referring to "deception" and the like.
FTR... personally, I see "the woman" and "the male [G730] / the man child" and "the remnant of her seed" to be three distinct [groupings of] persons (for lack of a better way of saying it at the moment):
--verses 4-6 (especially) "4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up [G726] unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
[reflective of the content of the second dream of Joseph in Genesis 37:9-10 (paralleling the events leading up to and surrounding Christ's Second Coming to the earth / His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19); And I believe this reference to "fled" in verse 6 correlates with the instruction to "flee" at a certain point, spoken of in Matthew 24:16 / "your flight" verse 20, addressing specifically "them which be in Judaea"]
--verse 13 "[...which had brought forth] the male [G730 - arsena / arren]"
[referring to the birth (etc) of "the male [G730]" having taken place "at some point prior to this mid-trib point" when there are yet 1260 days remaining]
--verse 17 "the remnant of her seed"
[correlating with Micah 5:3's "remnant" (the birth in this verse 3 being distinct from verse 2's Subject about Jesus' own Birth; and the "remnant" in v.3 being distinct from both of those)]
That's how I see it. = )
AMEN - Excellent articulation
We also have to accept that once Scripture lays a foundation of Truth on any subject, we are not permitted to build 'off-site'.
For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. 1 Cor 3:9-15
We also have to accept that once Scripture lays a foundation of Truth on any subject, we are not permitted to build 'off-site'.
For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. 1 Cor 3:9-15
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The 'flood of lies' is here now, 24/7 on all news and social media and even in churches.
As in the days of Noah they were given in marriage so shall it be in the return of our LORD.
Right now a marriage is being prepared for the world and they will give their hand in marriage to the Beast = the Mark.
The marriage will take place in the Temple which God created for Himself - in their bodies.
The fallen angels came to earth to marry women because they saw what God had created and planned in the Garden.
They knew what Adam and Eve meant to God.
As in the days of Noah they were given in marriage so shall it be in the return of our LORD.
Right now a marriage is being prepared for the world and they will give their hand in marriage to the Beast = the Mark.
The marriage will take place in the Temple which God created for Himself - in their bodies.
The fallen angels came to earth to marry women because they saw what God had created and planned in the Garden.
They knew what Adam and Eve meant to God.
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Gary, i woke up to this as i was contemplating this since last nite.
God's plan is that both a woman and man were to be virgins and bethrothed as virgins before the actual wedding day.
There is ground here to take the view that they were saved = Revelation 14:4
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
There are Two terms/words in this parable that are KEY to understanding the MAIN point the LORD is getting across.
It is not virgins but the opening, which everyone goes right by, and the main ingredient in the parable itself.
The third point is the outcome of the first two.
God's plan is that both a woman and man were to be virgins and bethrothed as virgins before the actual wedding day.
There is ground here to take the view that they were saved = Revelation 14:4
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
There are Two terms/words in this parable that are KEY to understanding the MAIN point the LORD is getting across.
It is not virgins but the opening, which everyone goes right by, and the main ingredient in the parable itself.
The third point is the outcome of the first two.
Good morning Gary,
As I said, that why it's important to read ALL of each chapter and not just a portion.
The title given to Matthew 24 is 'The Destruction of the Temple AND Signs of the End Times
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” < 2 things here--the destruction and Christ's coming at THE END OF THE AGE.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.....
As I said, that why it's important to read ALL of each chapter and not just a portion.
The title given to Matthew 24 is 'The Destruction of the Temple AND Signs of the End Times
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” < 2 things here--the destruction and Christ's coming at THE END OF THE AGE.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.....
Many critical of the differences without consideration that they were humans in action of writing.
I compare Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's Gospel account of Chris'st era in the Bible to 4 people standing around when a accident happened and there were four accounts of details. Each would be different.
It takes away no authenticity of the subject.
I compare Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's Gospel account of Chris'st era in the Bible to 4 people standing around when a accident happened and there were four accounts of details. Each would be different.
It takes away no authenticity of the subject.
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