THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

[p_rehbein]

John146 said:
Right after you provide scripture that states it was Priscilla that was correcting. I'll wait...

No need to wait. All that is required is to be able to understand Scripture with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit!

Acts, Chapter 18:

24And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

No where in Scripture does it say that Aquila HAD TO BE PRESENT for Priscilla to instruct this young man. NOWHERE..........

In their house was THEIR CHURCH meeting place!!!! Priscilla taught the young man on the same level of authority as did Aquila............

 

[Magenta]

I never made this claim. I stated it was both of them correcting the error, in private. The only reason Priscilla could is because her husband was there with her. She was backing up what Aquila was saying. A second witness...

You did NOT say both of them were correcting, only Aquila.

Where is the Scripture verse for this?

 

[CS1]

Do you believe women should become pastors and leaders of a local church assembly? Not guest speakers, not evangelists, not missionaries, but overseers of the body of Christ having authority over the men even their husbands?

Again, Yes.

And, please explain how it is that those of you who deny women the right to serve God as God called them to serve ONLY ENFORCE this one statement about women from the Apostle Paul? How is it that none of you ENFORCE ALL of the statements the Apostle made concerning women?

Until all of you who teach such sexist theology, no, more correctly, carnal theology, ENFORCE ALL of the teachings of the Apostle, you have not a leg to stand on.....

Women can be served God in many ways yet to hold the office of a Pastor I think it is not what they are to do.

Office over serving in gifting is two different things. Women can preach, teach, and evangelize to all peoples including men.

Pastor is an office that should not be of women.

 

[p_rehbein]

Then you are for gay marriage? It doesn't matter, no male or female...you see how ridiculous your argument is?

That is the dumbest statement you have ever made methinks.......and it is just deflecting the truth of Scripture.

The dumbest part is, by suggesting such a thing, you are ALSO suggesting that God is for gay marriage...........I quoted the Word of God.............

You are surely blinded by your carnal understanding of Scripture......I pray that one day God is able to lead you into the "light of understanding" through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. For you are surely lacking in that.

 

[p_rehbein]

I never made this claim. I stated it was both of them correcting the error, in private. The only reason Priscilla could is because her husband was there with her. She was backing up what Aquila was saying. A second witness...

Show in Scripture where Priscilla had to have Aquila there..........they BOTH instructed the young man with EQUAL AUTHORITY..........one did not need the presence of the other to do so................

 

[p_rehbein]

Women can be served God in many ways yet to hold the office of a Pastor I think it is not what they are to do.

Office over serving in gifting is two different things. Women can preach, teach, and evangelize to all peoples including men.

Pastor is an office that should not be of women.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however there is no Scripture where God Himself forbid women to have authority over men. Deborah proves that.

The Apostle Paul said: "I" he did not say "God"

 

[CS1]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however, there is no Scripture where God Himself forbid women to have authority over men. Deborah proves that.

The Apostle Paul said: "I" he did not say "God"

No Deborah was Prophet which was the Spokesmen for God She had no authority over man she spoke the word of God as God's mouthpiece which IS authoritative and can be disobeyed as many in the Old Testament did Deborah had no authority over man as no other man prophet had authority over Kings.

 

[CS1]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however there is no Scripture where God Himself forbid women to have authority over men. Deborah proves that.

The Apostle Paul said: "I" he did not say "God"

that is true until he said the office of bishop and decon huh?

 

[p_rehbein]

The Apostle Paul wrote in two distinct styles:

Thus sayeth the Lord: Commandments to be obeyed

I would rather that/it would be better that: Advice given by Paul, and NOT Commandments

Clear example of this is the 7th Chapter of 1 Corinthians......

Much of Pauls teachings about women were based on the "customs" of the time, and from the Law of the 1st Covenant, and not Commandments from God towards todays Church.

He shows this in the 11th Chapter of 1 Corinthians also:

16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

 

[p_rehbein]

No Deborah was Prophet which was the Spokesmen for God She had no authority over man she spoke the word of God as God's mouthpiece which IS authoritative and can be disobeyed as many in the Old Testament did Deborah had no authority over man as no other man prophet had authority over Kings.

She had complete authority over men. She was one of the four Judges appointed by God to rule over Israel.........you need to do a bit more research.......

The Prophetess Deborah was the fourth of the Judges who ruled over Israel. She is one of the seven Prhopetesses whose prophecies are recorded in the Bible. Deborah lived in the Mountains of Ephraim, between Ramah and Beth-El, where she held Court under a Palm Tree. The entire Jewish nation respected this great prophetess.

 

[CS1]

itim 3:2-7

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Please notice the comma above after must be blameless and the next one after Husband of one wife, and on and on where did Paul say "I say"? he didn't

"Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."

I am sorry the context of the overseer is to be a man.

 

[p_rehbein]

that is true until he said the office of bishop and decon huh?

1 Timothy, Chapter 3, Paul speaks of Bishops and Deacons.......he gives HIS instructions on what their qualifications should be.......

What he did not say was:

GOD REQUIRES THAT Bishops and Deacons have these qualifications.......

Nor did the Apostles say such in the 6th Chapter of Acts......

 

[CS1]

She had complete authority over men. She was one of the four Judges appointed by God to rule over Israel.........you need to do a bit more research.......

The Prophetess Deborah was the fourth of the Judges who ruled over Israel. She is one of the seven Prhopetesses whose prophecies are recorded in the Bible. Deborah lived in the Mountains of Ephraim, between Ramah and Beth-El, where she held Court under a Palm Tree. The entire Jewish nation respected this great prophetess.

Prophecying doesn't make on a Prophet That is a work of the Holy Spirit.

 

[p_rehbein]

Please notice the comma above after must be blameless and the next one after Husband of one wife, and on and on where did Paul say "I say"? he didn't

Where did he say "God commands?" he didn't.

As well, these Chapters are a continous teaching so read ALL of them to seek understanding..........

 

[p_rehbein]

Prophecying doesn't make on a Prophet That is a work of the Holy Spirit.

Judging makes a Judge. A Judge has AUTHORITY over all those they sit in Judgement of.

 

[Nehemiah6]

No Deborah was Prophet which was the Spokesmen for God

Deborah was a prophetess and a judge in Israel. But she did not take authority over Barak. In fact Barak asked her to go with him, but she said that this would not be to his honor: And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour (Judges 4:9).

While women were prophetesses in both Testament, that simply meant that they spoke the words given to them by God. But that did not translate into preaching and teaching in the local assembly, or usurping authority which belonged to the elders. That was forbidden by God (not man).

 

[p_rehbein]

itim 3:2-7

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Please notice the comma above after must be blameless and the next one after Husband of one wife, and on and on where did Paul say "I say"? he didn't

"Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."

I am sorry the context of the overseer is to be a man.

Yes, as was the CUSTOM of the time.............however........

lest any MAN be contentious, the Churches of God HAVE NO SUCH CUSTOMS....

 

[CS1]

She had complete authority over men. She was one of the four Judges appointed by God to rule over Israel.........you need to do a bit more research.......

The Prophetess Deborah was the fourth of the Judges who ruled over Israel. She is one of the seven Prhopetesses whose prophecies are recorded in the Bible. Deborah lived in the Mountains of Ephraim, between Ramah and Beth-El, where she held Court under a Palm Tree. The entire Jewish nation respected this great prophetess.

I can possibly see that.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Judging makes a Judge. A Judge has AUTHORITY over all those they sit in Judgement of.

Rendering a judgment is simply that. It does NOT give any further authority to the judge. And that still holds true. Deborah rendered judgments in Israel, but had no authority over Israelites. And that is exactly why she was sent to Barak. But Barak was a wimp.

 

[proverbs35]

No Deborah was Prophet which was the Spokesmen for God She had no authority over man she spoke the word of God as God's mouthpiece which IS authoritative and can be disobeyed as many in the Old Testament did Deborah had no authority over man as no other man prophet had authority over Kings.

So others who hold authority like fathers, husbands or kings cannot be willfully disobeyed? People disobey fathers, husbands and kings too. What point are you trying to make?