If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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Why do you think Revelation talks about multiple Trees of LIFE?

Rev 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 

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Why do you think Revelation talks about multiple Trees of LIFE?

Rev 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
It speaks of one tree of life, not multiple.
 

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So the Tree of LIFE can somehow be on both sides of the river?
That's what it says using "tree" singular not plural. The trunk is just split but formed one tree.


 
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Wow, there is no end to what you take literal.

Wait a second, "twelve manner of fruits"? Revelation 12 has Lady Wisdom with 12 stars and other Scripture that says she is The Tree of LIFE.

Proverbs 3:18
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Rev 12:1
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
 

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Wow, there is no end to what you take literal.

Wait a second, "twelve manner of fruits"? Revelation 12 has Lady Wisdom with 12 stars and other Scripture that says she is The Tree of LIFE.
Revelation 12 does not have "lady wisdom" nor does any scripture say she is the tree of life.
 
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i think Revelation 12 is showing us satan attacking the grassroots Wisdom of early Christians that GOD Fed and Protected.
 
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i think Revelation 12 is showing us satan attacking the grassroots Wisdom of early Christians that GOD Fed and Protected.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. "man child" is Jesus. Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of God.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael (Michael is Jesus) and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (Before the cross, Satan would accuse the old testament saints that they don't belong there in heaven. It is because Jesus didn't pay the full price for the saints sins yet. Only after Jesus paid the price, did Satan have no grounds to accuse the old testament saints. So Satan and his angels are cast down to bottomless pit which is sin cursed earth=spiritually. "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God" obviously Jesus set up spiritual 1,000 year kingdom. Which is giving the Holy Spirit to God's elects and maturing them.

Read https://testallthings.com/2011/11/02/a-study-of-revelation-12-verses-1-to-12/
 
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i think Revelation 12 is showing us satan attacking the grassroots Wisdom of early Christians that GOD Fed and Protected.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
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24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:24-28
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24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Didn't JESUS already destroy death? He has the key.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
 
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Didn't JESUS already destroy death? He has the key.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
"26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death."

Plz read the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 15

1 Corinthians 15:54-57
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54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 20:11-15
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11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Romans 8
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Free from Indwelling Sin
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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Didn't JESUS already destroy death? He has the key.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/QUOTE]
"26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death."

Plz read the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 15

1 Corinthians 15:54-57
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54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 20:11-15
King James Version


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Revelation 20:6
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6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection(born again, God gives the Holy Spirit to God's elect): on such the second death (lake of fire) hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Romans 8
New King James Version


Free from Indwelling Sin
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

compare with new creature verses=born again
 
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There are different types of deaths...
1. 1 Corinthians 15:54=the flesh=our physical bodies are corrupt=Jesus will change our bodies in his 2nd Coming.
2. spiritual death=Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).
3. second death=lake of fire will be filled with Satan, all his demons and all nonelects
4. fear of physical death=no fear of physical death if you are one of God's elect because God gave you the Holy Spirit.
 
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Didn't JESUS already destroy death? He has the key.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
There are different types of deaths...
1. 1 Corinthians 15:54=the flesh=our physical bodies are corrupt=Jesus will change our bodies in his 2nd Coming.
2. spiritual death=Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).
3. second death=lake of fire will be filled with Satan, all his demons and all nonelects
4. fear of physical death=no fear of physical death if you are one of God's elect because God gave you the Holy Spirit.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:54-57

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
The 70 weeks of Daniel says the end of sins.

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

//It means the 70 weeks of Daniel already happened. GOD doesn't extend His Prophecy Times anyways.

Premills want JESUS physically on Earth Ruling as a physical King ...just like the pharisees wanted. People won't turn from GOD when He is here with a physical Kingdom (for Infinity, not a thousand years) that is other worldly. People are dumb, but they can’t ignore a Kingdom like this.
 
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i didn't find this but WOW!

Psalm 23:3-6
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Hebrews 1:8 KJV
[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

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1 Corinthians 4:19-20 KJV
[19] But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. [20] For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

"Apparently Paul thought the kingdom was something witnessed in individuals as early as the first century?"
 
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Psalms 72:1-5 "Endow the king with your justice, O God, the royal son with your righteousness. May he judge your people in righteousness,
your afflicted ones with justice. May the mountains bring prosperity to the people, the hills the fruit of righteousness. May he defend the afflicted among the people and save the children of the needy; may he crush the oppressor. May he endure as long as the sun, as long as the moon, through all generations.

What in the world? This is something else a Premill has to face.
 

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"Apparently Paul thought the kingdom was something witnessed in individuals as early as the first century?"

No, he didn't. All you are doing is making things up and ascribing them to people like Paul that never said anything you are claiming. The Pharisees weren't wrong about a physical kingdom either. They were wrong about when it would happen. You are the one who is wrong thinking this broken world is being run by Jesus and mortal Christians. You're doing a terrible job running the world.