PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

[PennEd]

Not nearly as stupid as yours.


No, the vaccine doesn't prevent the virus 100%.

The vaccine: (1) reduces your likelihood of getting the virus, and (2) reduces the severity of the disease if you do get the virus.

Think of it as like a seatbelt.

If you're driving, and not wearing a seatbelt, and you have to swerve to avoid hitting something, the centrifugal force may push you away from the driver's seat, may force you to grip the wheel and swerve even more, and / or may cause a worse accident than what may have happened if you had hit the object you swerved to avoid.

So wearing a seatbelt might help prevent some accidents.

But more importantly, if you are involved in an accident, wearing your seatbelt significantly reduces your injury, and your chances of dying.

Are you going to get into an accident every time you drive? No. Of course not. That's silly. So, does that mean you don't have to wear your seatbelt every time you drive? Well, that would be stupid, because you never know when you might be involved in an accident.

Are there cases where not wearing a seatbelt might be better? There are a very, very few cases where a person is hurt worse because they were trapped by their seatbelt (i.e. water accidents), but it has been shown repeatedly that these are FAR outnumbered, by the thousands, compared to the number of people who are saved -- significantly -- by the use of seatbelts.

If you do wear a seatbelt, does that mean that you are invincible, and that no one has ever died while wearing a seatbelt? Of course not. Some accidents are so bad that, even with a seatbelt, some of the people involved have died. But again, the science is undeniable. Seatbelts save lives, period. There's no doubt.

People wearing their seatbelts can walk away from an accident that would kill someone who wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

The same is true for the vaccine.

I was vaccinated last May. After my second dose, I felt some mild flu symptoms, as many others have reported, the 1st day after the shot. I was fine the 2nd day. My parents (who are in their 70s) were vaccinated, but my husband chose not to be vaccinated.

About 2 months ago, my husband first felt what he thought was a head-cold. Runny nose, stuffy head, very low-grade fever (under 100). None of the typical covid symptoms -- no cough, no shortness of breath, no loss of smell or taste. Then my son and I both got it, then my parents. My mom got tested and it came back positive, so I also tested. By the time I got the test, I felt no symptoms. My fever was gone, I had no stuffy head or runny nose. Same with my son -- his fever only lasted 1/2 day, and he had no other symptoms. My dad never experienced any symptoms. But all of us tested positive.

My husband was in bed for 3 weeks.

He is otherwise a healthy man. But the COVID kicked his butt. Because he wasn't vaccinated.

And it could have been worse. He could have died.

So yes. I'm very glad I was vaccinated, and will get a booster.


Yes. I'm safe from serious illness.


See above. Any of us could have gotten more seriously ill. Or, just as a person wearing a seat-belt can still be killed in a bad accident by someone who isn't wearing their seatbelt, swerves to miss a dog who runs into the road, and lost control of the car, I, or anyone in my family, may be killed, even if we're vaccinated.

And because my husband is an idiot, he could have died.

And there are people who can't be vaccinated for various reasons, and they are at risk.

So yes, you not getting vaccinated puts me and my loved ones at serious risk. You are literally killing people.

And you seem okay with that, which makes you very much NOT in line with what Jesus taught.

I have true, and heartfelt sympathy for your husband.

He MUST be a Godly man to put up with someone who calls him an “idiot” on a global public forum.
Sorta the anti Proverbs 37 woman.

 

[PennEd]

Dozens. I lost count around 15. All of them were unvaccinated. Most of them before there was a vaccine available, although one was more recent, and simply didn't get the vaccine, because like you they thought they were "too good." Well, now they're good and dead.

I flat out don’t believe you.

Unless you are a Dr or nurse in a hospital or retirement home , you personally DO NOT know “dozens “ of people who died of Covid.

The left lies so easily it’s scary.

 

[ZNP]

Think of it as like a seatbelt.

The fundamental Flaw in the Seatbelt analogy

Seat belt was invented in the 1800s, in the 1930s physicians urged they be used in cars, in 1954 they were required in Sports Car Club of America competitions, in 1958 the three point seat belt was invented, in 1966 seat belts were required in all cars and then in 1970, 40 years after physicians were studying the benefits of seat belts the first seat belt law was created in Australia. US seat belt laws came around the time of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1966. Yes they were required by law to be in cars but were simply encouraged using ads for 25+ years. By 1995 every state had seat belt laws.

https://www.defensivedriving.com/blog/a-history-of-seat-belts/

We had 40 years of data to look at to prove the benefits of seat belts before they were mandated.

 

[ZNP]

A better Analogy -- The Maginot Line

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/maginot-line

This was a 280 mile long line of defenses built on France's border with Germany that cost more than $9 billion in today's dollars. It was reinforced concrete designed to withstand heavy artillery, poison gas and whatever else Germany had.

So what did Germany do? They drove around it, through Belgium and in two weeks had conquered France. The French would have been much better off with $9 billion worth of tanks.

In the same way this vaccine gives you specific antibodies that fight against spike proteins on the Covid virus. They instruct your immune system to manufacture these antigen specific antibodies rather than non specific antibodies. Think of the specific antibodies like the Maginot line, the defense that is built in concrete and can only deal with an enemy coming from one direction. Tanks would be the non specific antibody, they can fight in any direction and go where the enemy is attacking.

In the same way the Covid virus mutates to get around your "Magino line" that you have built with the vaccine.

Still, it is better than nothing, right? Nope.

If you had nothing you could have had $9 billion in tanks. You have a limited budget for defense. If you spend 9 billion on a useless concrete wall, then you don't have $9 billion for tanks.

 

[HillsboroMom]

Still waiting for a reputable, peer-reviewed, scientific study.

All you've posted is highly biased tabloid opinion pieces.

 

[ZNP]

The left lies so easily it’s scary.

I think it is because they never get called out and so think since no one is calling them out these lies are truth.

 

[ZNP]

Still waiting for a reputable, peer-reviewed, scientific study.

All you've posted is highly biased tabloid opinion pieces.

The studies are posted on this thread. You can find them. As for the "highly opionated tabloid pieces" they were referencing studies published in journals. Not my job to do your research, but I will call you out for any falsehood as I see fit.

 

[ZNP]

Not my job to do your research, but I will call you out for any falsehood as I see fit.

For example the very first "tabloid piece" above (#4879) referenced

UK CoV2 Infections Per 100,000 by Vaccination Status
Source PHE Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Reports: Weeks 36-40

PHE stands for the Patient Health Engagement model. That is a UK government report.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-report

Please stop trying to prove you are right, you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Aidan1]

looks like germany is going to begin to slowly push the unvaxxed out of public spaces, and do forced injections next year.

congratulations . hope you are proud of your country and it's government.

In this case, I am! Not everthing is right.
But to talk the virus small and ignore it, is out of reality.
But this has nothing to do with rational thinking.
You believe the vaccine is bad, then it has to be bad. What to do?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Still waiting for a reputable, peer-reviewed, scientific study.

This is so laughable in view of all the bogus "peer-reviewed" nonsense being published by Lancet, Nature, and many other once-reputable medical journals. So you are really behind the times.

The Lancet retracts large study on hydroxychloroquine [Note: this was an attack on HCQ in order to sabotage it]

Lancet retracts 12-year-old article linking autism to MMR vaccines

How many scientific papers should be retracted?
"Our model also allows us to estimate the number of papers that should have been retracted under all plausible explanations of reality permitted by the model (Fig 1C). We estimate the number of articles published between 1950 and 2004 that ought to be retracted to be more than 100,000 under the more pessimistic scenario (τ = 0.1; red, Fig 1C), and greater than 10,000 under the most optimistic scenario (τ = 1; green, Fig 1C)."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1866214/

So, HillsboroMom, all your talk about "peer-reviewed" articles is just hot air.

 

[mailmandan]

White House says domestic travel vaccine requirements on the table due to omicron variant

'Nothing is off the table,' Psaki said

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wh...uirements-on-the-table-due-to-omicron-variant

 

[Nehemiah6]

Not everthing is right.

Aidan, you are becoming more and more bogus. You put a red x to DISAGREE with an actual and factual report which refuted all your nonsense. And now Germany has gone full Nazi because of people like you encouraging the evildoers.

 

[ZNP]

In this case, I am! Not everthing is right.
But to talk the virus small and ignore it, is out of reality.
But this has nothing to do with rational thinking.
You believe the vaccine is bad, then it has to be bad. What to do?

 

[SophieT]

Still waiting for a reputable, peer-reviewed, scientific study.

All you've posted is highly biased tabloid opinion pieces.

do a search

a thread was recently closed that had plenty

peer reviewed....that has been done multiple of multiple times...google it...and you might find that thread and others helpful

but if I remember correctly, you ignore the proof you ask for when it is offered

 

[SophieT]

Except that during the fascism of the early 20th century, they were trying to kill people, and now they're trying to prevent people from being killed.

You think it's okay to have the freedom to kill someone else.

I happen to disagree.

For people who normally claim to be "pro-life," even if that means limiting the rights of certain people (women), I'm surprised to find so many Christians claiming that one individual's freedom is more important than another individual's right to live.

Y'all are fine telling women they have to sacrifice 9 months of their lives to allow babies the right to be born. (And most of us Christian women are happy to do so!) But you won't take a little, painless jab in the arm, whose side effects last 12-24 hours, to save all of your friends and family?

Hypocrite much?

are you feeling ok? this is pretty garbled and accusatory

Except that during the fascism of the early 20th century, they were trying to kill people, and now they're trying to prevent people from being killed.

You think it's okay to have the freedom to kill someone else.

I happen to disagree.

For people who normally claim to be "pro-life," even if that means limiting the rights of certain people (women), I'm surprised to find so many Christians claiming that one individual's freedom is more important than another individual's right to live.

Y'all are fine telling women they have to sacrifice 9 months of their lives to allow babies the right to be born. (And most of us Christian women are happy to do so!) But you won't take a little, painless jab in the arm, whose side effects last 12-24 hours, to save all of your friends and family?

Hypocrite much?

comparing carrying a child to a non-vaccine is a bridge too far for most people to consider

but if that is how you think

 

[JTB]

A
So. How many people do you know who died from Covid?

3 ... and those were from covid not with covid. there is a difference.

 

[SophieT]

That's a temporary fix. But, yeah. I'd do that first. Idaho and Florida will be the last free zones.

Florida

I attended a large art festival last week end (as a participant ) and right near our tent was a sign, with the name of the city on it (which I am not revealing but it was in FL where we live) and then underneath it said 'land of the free'

oh yeah!

 

[SophieT]

Curious....

I'm assuming you think it's fine for women to get abortions, as long as they pay for it, then?

After all, you have no problem risking other people's lives, and are willing to pay a fine rather than take a jab to prevent it. How is that different than women willing to pay for an abortion?

they walk among us

 

[mailmandan]

New York confirms 5 cases of the omicron coronavirus variant

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-confirms-5-cases-omicron-coronavirus-variant

Who did not see this coming? Here we go again.

 

[Genipher]

Curious....

I'm assuming you think it's fine for women to get abortions, as long as they pay for it, then?

After all, you have no problem risking other people's lives, and are willing to pay a fine rather than take a jab to prevent it. How is that different than women willing to pay for an abortion?

Your logic is askew. First, even if your premise is true that my vaccination status can affect someone else's health, there is the matter of intent. A woman who aborts her preborn baby (and especially the doctor butchering it), has the intent of ending that life. A person who does not get vaccinated is not trying to risk anyone's life. If that risk exists, it is incidental to the decision.

However, it is not even true that my vaccination status affects those around me, at least not in the way you seem to assume. If I am unvaccinated, I can contract Covid and maybe pass it to someone else. But that does not change if I am vaccinated. The vaccine does not even make it less likely for a person to pass the virus to someone else. In fact, since the vaccinated have a decreased probability of exhibiting symptoms, it makes a person LESS LIKELY to take precautions against spread and INCREASES the probability of passing the virus.

I do not truly expect you to take the time to read, consider, and try to understand this point, but it sure would be nice if you did.


TLDR: You're just as likely to kill somebody as I am.