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The beasts of Daniel are 4 hegemons with 7 heads. In revelation, the beast with the 10 horns are a composite of the Daniel beasts (thus the 7 heads are as per Daniel). The beast from the earth is the last hegemon (with 1 head). The 8 heads are from hegemons (beasts) , are the only ones documented in the Book of Revelation.
Only through the wisdom from God (Scriptures) can these visions be interpreted, not from the knowledge of men.
Only through the wisdom from God (Scriptures) can these visions be interpreted, not from the knowledge of men.
To my knowledge the antichrist will in power for 7 years, hitler 12 years so Hitler's not the antichrist
I believe the last pope is
Antichrist rule the earth hitler not rule the whole earth
Popes promote one world government
https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/news-and-prophecy/pope-calls-for-one-world-government
Hitler was a type, a foreshadowing of what the Antichrist will be like; he wasn't the Antichrist. The Antichrist will be a political and military figure. He will be accompanied by the false prophet.
Let me ask you, if the Pope is the Antichrist, what need would there be for a false prophet? If the Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, why would he need a false prophet? Wouldn't the Pope himself be the false prophet?
Let me ask you, if the Pope is the Antichrist, what need would there be for a false prophet? If the Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, why would he need a false prophet? Wouldn't the Pope himself be the false prophet?
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the beautiful woman in revelation 12 is israel , who was promised the messiah would Be born a son of man . after Jesus is born and taken to heaven to rule from his throne , israel was shortly after persecuted and scattered when Jerusalem was destroyed and so
Many slaughtered during the siege of Jerusalem ad67-70
much of the church also still in Jerusalem suffered and died of the siege Jewish Christians.
but the point is the woman is kept for a time but later pursued by the dragon o to the desert . Where later a woman appears in the desert having a different look and garments and riding upon the beast holding the cup of indignation’s.
we’re seeing Israel’s fall from beautiful , to a whore that constantly worshipped false idols and never honored God who was like thier husband and demanded they only worship him. Many ot prophets tell the story of Israel's Whoredoms and adulteries
The beautiful woman just one example of several
“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine. Then washed I thee with water; yea, I thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
Ezekiel 16:2, 7-14,
But this is what they became
“But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon:
the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so. Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them. And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood. And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God
Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.
Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way. Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.
Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith. How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;
In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire; But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated;
I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.
And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
And I will tryl also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.”
Ezekiel 16:15-18, 22-23, 25-32, 35-39 KJV
that last part is what revelation is talking about here
“And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
Revelation 17:16-17 KJV
Your right it’s about e religious system of the Old Testament laws of Israel and the nation of Israel once a chosen and beautiful woman wearing a crown , but Thy ought transgressions and whoredoms with other gods , later appears Che he’s garments holding indignation and riding on the beast
the beautiful woman in revelation 12 is israel , who was promised the messiah would Be born a son of man . after Jesus is born and taken to heaven to rule from his throne , israel was shortly after persecuted and scattered when Jerusalem was destroyed and so
Many slaughtered during the siege of Jerusalem ad67-70
much of the church also still in Jerusalem suffered and died of the siege Jewish Christians.
but the point is the woman is kept for a time but later pursued by the dragon o to the desert . Where later a woman appears in the desert having a different look and garments and riding upon the beast holding the cup of indignation’s.
we’re seeing Israel’s fall from beautiful , to a whore that constantly worshipped false idols and never honored God who was like thier husband and demanded they only worship him. Many ot prophets tell the story of Israel's Whoredoms and adulteries
The beautiful woman just one example of several
“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine. Then washed I thee with water; yea, I thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
Ezekiel 16:2, 7-14,
But this is what they became
“But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon:
the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so. Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them. And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood. And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God
Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms. Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way. Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.
Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith. How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;
In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire; But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated;
I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.
And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
And I will tryl also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.”
Ezekiel 16:15-18, 22-23, 25-32, 35-39 KJV
that last part is what revelation is talking about here
“And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
Revelation 17:16-17 KJV
Your right it’s about e religious system of the Old Testament laws of Israel and the nation of Israel once a chosen and beautiful woman wearing a crown , but Thy ought transgressions and whoredoms with other gods , later appears Che he’s garments holding indignation and riding on the beast
We are to gain insight into her being through those verses not make direct collarless.
She is the dominant religious system at the time of the End of Days; the nation of God's people who turned away from Him. She is made up of those who were called out but did not enter under His rule. We saw the pattern first with Cain (before the Jews but as God's people). Today, we see the Evangelical, Roman, Anglican, and state churches willing to trade their calling in the Lord in the power of the Holy Spirit for the approval and support of the state: politically, economically, and otherwise.
The systems of the beast are in full swing and those who are Christ's in name only (much like the Jerusalem in her day) are those leading the assault on the Kingdom of God and His people.
She is the dominant religious system at the time of the End of Days; the nation of God's people who turned away from Him. She is made up of those who were called out but did not enter under His rule. We saw the pattern first with Cain (before the Jews but as God's people). Today, we see the Evangelical, Roman, Anglican, and state churches willing to trade their calling in the Lord in the power of the Holy Spirit for the approval and support of the state: politically, economically, and otherwise.
The systems of the beast are in full swing and those who are Christ's in name only (much like the Jerusalem in her day) are those leading the assault on the Kingdom of God and His people.
My mistake. Pope may false prophet who promote antichrist.
Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
One of antichrist look like is verse 8 , will be worship by all nation semi religious leader.
People not worship Political leader
Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
One of antichrist look like is verse 8 , will be worship by all nation semi religious leader.
People not worship Political leader
No, they are the 7 heads of one beast from Revelation 13. Revelation 17 says those heads are mountains. A mountain is not a person.
There is no 8th beast, nor are there even 7. Revelation 13 has two beasts, no more. You are confusing the part about there being 7-8 kings with most of them already gone. That has nothing to do with the Revelation 13 beast having 7 mountains where it's ten kingdoms are located.
There is no 8th beast, nor are there even 7. Revelation 13 has two beasts, no more. You are confusing the part about there being 7-8 kings with most of them already gone. That has nothing to do with the Revelation 13 beast having 7 mountains where it's ten kingdoms are located.
No, I think you are conjecturing on the note
Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not[a], even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition[c].
[a] Revelation 17:8
He is the eighth head , but is also of the seven. Consider
Rev 13:11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. This beast had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. 12And this beast exercised all the authority of the first beast and caused the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed.
[c] All heads are accounted in perdition. Consider Rev 20:10 (Berean Study Bible)
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
All things from the bible.
Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not[a], even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition[c].
[a] Revelation 17:8
He is the eighth head , but is also of the seven. Consider
Rev 13:11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. This beast had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. 12And this beast exercised all the authority of the first beast and caused the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed.
[c] All heads are accounted in perdition. Consider Rev 20:10 (Berean Study Bible)
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
All things from the bible.
Compare Daniel and Revelation
Rev 13:1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Dan 7:4The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
They match.
A head is not a mountain either. Rome has 7 hills. As with many other cities.
See post #55 and 56
Rev 13:1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Dan 7:4The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
They match.
A head is not a mountain either. Rome has 7 hills. As with many other cities.
See post #55 and 56
No, they don't. Daniel has 4 beasts, 2 with one head, a 3rd with 4 heads, and a 4th beast with 1 head.
Revelation 13 has 1 beast with 7 heads, and a second beast called the false prophet who has 1 head.
A lot of the same language is used but there is no match concerning the amount of beast and how many heads each has.
Not to mention that in Daniel the 4th beast is destroyed and the first 3 beasts remain alive while when the two beasts of Revelation 13 are destroyed, there is no other beast alive except the dragon which is satan. Again, no match.
Furthermore, Daniel says three times that 3 of the 10 horns are removed but that does not happen in Revelation.
Yes it is:
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Yes and the hills were areas of land where Roman states (like small kingdoms) were located. The hills (mountains) are still not 7 people.
Revelation 13 has 1 beast with 7 heads, and a second beast called the false prophet who has 1 head.
A lot of the same language is used but there is no match concerning the amount of beast and how many heads each has.
Not to mention that in Daniel the 4th beast is destroyed and the first 3 beasts remain alive while when the two beasts of Revelation 13 are destroyed, there is no other beast alive except the dragon which is satan. Again, no match.
Furthermore, Daniel says three times that 3 of the 10 horns are removed but that does not happen in Revelation.
Yes it is:
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Yes and the hills were areas of land where Roman states (like small kingdoms) were located. The hills (mountains) are still not 7 people.
It doesn't mean he "Marveled" at anything, or "Admired" anything per se as the word implies via our understandings of that word. I think its more the case of John being IN AWE of what Jesus was showing him, he had a great Wonderment of these visions so to speak.
won·der·ment
/ˈwəndərmənt/
noun
1.) a state of awed admiration or respect.
2.) "Corbett shook his head in silent wonderment"
won·der·ment
/ˈwəndərmənt/
noun
1.) a state of awed admiration or respect.
2.) "Corbett shook his head in silent wonderment"
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yes but he had seen Christ glorified on the mount - and even earlier in the Revelation -- what could be more awe-inspiring or wonderful than our awesome God whose name is Wonderful, revealed in glory?
why that moment, when he sees the beast and the great whore? why choose that moment to be stunned in awe?
why that moment, when he sees the beast and the great whore? why choose that moment to be stunned in awe?