If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[Yahshua]

Please, what is the deal with this "thousand"?

Deuteronomy 7:8-9
But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

1 Chronicles 16:14-15
He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

Psalm 105:6-10
O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

From this, I assume you're saying that "thousand" is just poetic writing that means "multitudes upon multitudes" (i.e. loads of folks). If we go with your view then there aren't any numbers that can be relied upon in scripture:

- rained for 40 days & 40 nights
- wandering for 40 years
- they prophesy for 1,260 days...42 months
- locust torment those without the seal of God for 5 months
- 3 days and 3 nights and will rise again on the 3rd day
- seventy weeks...
- visiting the iniquity of the father on the son to the 3rd or 4th generation of those that hate me
- in the 4th generation your descendants will return here.

1000 years must be specific because every other numbering He gave was specific.

You want GOD as a King living here ...but also want people to look at Him and say He isn't GOD? You really think people are going to be like, oh, That is GOD ...but i'm still going to do things my own way? Ridiculous.

Again, take me out of it. What I want matters none. What you want doesn't matter either. What matters is what's written, can we agree?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

From this, I assume you're saying that "thousand" is just poetic writing that means "multitudes upon multitudes" (i.e. loads of folks). If we go with your view then there aren't any numbers that can be relied upon in scripture:

- rained for 40 days & 40 nights
- wandering for 40 years
- they prophesy for 1,260 days...42 months
- locust torment those without the seal of God for 5 months
- 3 days and 3 nights and will rise again on the 3rd day
- seventy weeks...
- visiting the iniquity of the father on the son to the 3rd or 4th generation of those that hate me
- in the 4th generation your descendants will return here.

1000 years must be specific because every other numbering He gave was specific.




Again, take me out of it. What I want matters none. What you want doesn't matter either. What matters is what's written, can we agree?

You don't get to sweep this 1000 under the rug. It was very important. Look at what it was talking about.

to turn away from GOD in the Millennium Reign after His Return would be sin ...so if there isn't sin anymore, how are people going to be deceived by satan?

 

[Yahshua]

You don't get to sweep this 1000 under the rug. It was very important. Look at what it was talking about.

to turn away from GOD in the Millennium Reign after His Return would be sin ...so if there isn't sin anymore, how are people going to be deceived by satan?

Satan isn't bound so that sin doesn't exist anymore, he's bound so he doesn't continue his trade in lies. He will be bound so that there will no longer be deception. Let's consider the current world situation for a moment:

- 4,000 different denominations of Christianity all touting that they have pure truth.

- Two other major Abrahamic-themed religions each with millions and millions of followers who were BORN into them.

- A history that records Catholicism (considered a denomination of Christianity) stained with the blood of millions upon millions of people. As a result, countless others were raised as agnostic or atheists because they refused to be associated with "a god that supports murders and pedophiles"

- Countless others have been raised to rely on self and technology.

- We here at CC can't even agree on basic tenets of the faith, getting into one argument after another!

Satan has deceived the whole world, so the world must have a chance to walk in the truth. This is what the 1000 years is for. To remove sin and establish the way life was supposed to be. To break the stubborn's pride. To make the nations submit. "He that overcomes shall rule the nations...and he shall break them to pieces..." Rev 2:27.

For example...the following passage is a prophecy of what happens after Messiah returns and destroys the armies of the nations:


Zechariah 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Satan isn't bound so that sin doesn't exist anymore, he's bound so he doesn't continue his trade in lies. He will be bound so that there will no longer be deception. Let's consider the current world situation for a moment:

- 4,000 different denominations of Christianity all touting that they have pure truth.

- Two other major Abrahamic-themed religions each with millions and millions of followers who were BORN into them.

- A history that records Catholicism (considered a denomination of Christianity) stained with the blood of millions upon millions of people. As a result, countless others were raised as agnostic or atheists because they refused to be associated with "a god that supports murders and pedophiles"

- Countless others have been raised to rely on self and technology.

- We here at CC can't even agree on basic tenets of the faith, getting into one argument after another!

Satan has deceived the whole world, so the world must have a chance to walk in the truth. This is what the 1000 years is for. To remove sin and establish the way life was supposed to be. To break the stubborn's pride. To make the nations submit. "He that overcomes shall rule the nations...and he shall break them to pieces..." Rev 2:27.

For example...the following passage is a prophecy of what happens after Messiah returns and destroys the armies of the nations:


Zechariah 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The 70 weeks of Daniel says the end of sin.

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

//It doesn't say, oh by the way, there is a 1000 years first.

 

[Yahshua]

The 70 weeks of Daniel says the end of sin.

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

//It doesn't say, oh by the way, there is a 1000 years first.

^^ Well, this prophecy was for Daniel's people and for Jerusalem.


A brief rundown of the plan of The Almighty:

1) Choose Israel

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world


The people sinned and broke the covenant 2 months into marriage...deserving death. The Almighty fixes their problem...


1) Choose Israel

a) Give mercy to them for their violation of my covenant
b) In the meantime, give them rituals to rehearse to appease me until My Son comes to restore them
c) Outline the plan for restoring Israel (Daniel 9:24)

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world


The people reject their Savior deserving fierce punishment...but He completes His work of restoration for His people


1) Choose Israel

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

a) New Covenant established through Messiah's blood (He is "the door")
b) Break-off unbelieving branches (their punishment)
c) Open the door for anyone else who wants to enter in and marry the Body
d) Full number of gentiles believers to be grafted in (approx. 2000 years so far)
e) Jew & Gentile believers in Messiah all united = "All Israel" saved
f) Messiah Returns, Resurrects remaining believers, Rules over the nations

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world

----

The millennium reign is the work originally promised to Israel at Mt. Sinai; that The Almighty will establish a nation of priests to spread the knowledge of Him throughout the world. All the drama that has followed has been Him establishing that priesthood to get back to His originally intended plan.


Obadiah 1:21
And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

^^ Well, this prophecy was for Daniel's people and for Jerusalem.


A brief rundown of the plan of The Almighty:

1) Choose Israel

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world


The people sinned and broke the covenant 2 months into marriage...deserving death. The Almighty fixes their problem...


1) Choose Israel

a) Give mercy to them for their violation of my covenant
b) In the meantime, give them rituals to rehearse to appease me until My Son comes to restore them
c) Outline the plan for restoring Israel (Daniel 9:24)

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world


The people reject their Savior deserving fierce punishment...but He completes His work of restoration for His people


1) Choose Israel

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

a) New Covenant established through Messiah's blood (He is "the door")
b) Break-off unbelieving branches (their punishment)
c) Open the door for anyone else who wants to enter in and marry the Body
d) Full number of gentiles believers to be grafted in (approx. 2000 years so far)
e) Jew & Gentile believers in Messiah all united = "All Israel" saved
f) Messiah Returns, Resurrects remaining believers, Rules over the nations

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world

----

The millennium reign is the work originally promised to Israel at Mt. Sinai; that The Almighty will establish a nation of priests to spread the knowledge of Him throughout the world. All the drama that has followed has been Him establishing that priesthood to get back to His originally intended plan.


Obadiah 1:21
And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Wow, a Premill that knows the 70 weeks is over?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The Fear of The LORD is Wisdom from The Tree of LIFE.
Fear because it takes Judgment from The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST to reach that Tree.
We are Reborn into The Kingdom with access to the correct Tree this time.​

 

[pittsburghjoe]

1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You can't see what to fear when you eat from the wrong tree.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Do the meek inherit the earth by overcoming the beast system?

Mat 5:5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Peter is saying we are in an Age of Judgment right now.

2 Peter 3:7-9
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Ecclesiastes 1:4
One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

If there isn't going to be a new physical earth, then is Revelation being symbolic when it says new earth?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If there isn't going to be a new physical earth, does It tie into this? The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST?

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[ewq1938]

If Scripture promises an Infinity of perfect peace and Righteousness ...then why are people trying to make it end after a thousand years with satan being loosed?

You don't believe there is an end of peace when satan is released? Scriptures says there will be when it speaks of him raising an army that he takes to Jerusalem.

 

[ewq1938]

Again, you want JESUS physically on Earth Ruling as a physical King ...just like the pharisees wanted.

That's not what they wanted. You are misrepresenting that.

 

[ewq1938]

That's the wrong culture, religion and language. Try again.

Please, what is the deal with this "thousand"?

Deuteronomy 7:8-9
But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

1 Chronicles 16:14-15
He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

Psalm 105:6-10
O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

 

[DavidTree]

How? The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST.

What is the Kingdom of the Body of Christ???

 

[ewq1938]

You don't get to sweep this 1000 under the rug. It was very important. Look at what it was talking about.

to turn away from GOD in the Millennium Reign after His Return would be sin ...so if there isn't sin anymore, how are people going to be deceived by satan?

This "there isn't sin anymore" is made up from you. It's a strawman fallacy because no one believes or teaches that.

 

[DavidTree]

^^ Well, this prophecy was for Daniel's people and for Jerusalem.


A brief rundown of the plan of The Almighty:

1) Choose Israel

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world


The people sinned and broke the covenant 2 months into marriage...deserving death. The Almighty fixes their problem...


1) Choose Israel

a) Give mercy to them for their violation of my covenant
b) In the meantime, give them rituals to rehearse to appease me until My Son comes to restore them
c) Outline the plan for restoring Israel (Daniel 9:24)

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world


The people reject their Savior deserving fierce punishment...but He completes His work of restoration for His people


1) Choose Israel

2) Establish them as a royal priesthood through the blood covenant

a) New Covenant established through Messiah's blood (He is "the door")
b) Break-off unbelieving branches (their punishment)
c) Open the door for anyone else who wants to enter in and marry the Body
d) Full number of gentiles believers to be grafted in (approx. 2000 years so far)
e) Jew & Gentile believers in Messiah all united = "All Israel" saved
f) Messiah Returns, Resurrects remaining believers, Rules over the nations

3) Teach the nations about The Almighty thereby removing sin and saving the world

----

The millennium reign is the work originally promised to Israel at Mt. Sinai; that The Almighty will establish a nation of priests to spread the knowledge of Him throughout the world. All the drama that has followed has been Him establishing that priesthood to get back to His originally intended plan.


Obadiah 1:21
And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

i am cracking up laughing reading your post NOT because there is anything wrong but because, when you know Scripture and see the Plan of God throughout the ages, it just comes down to child like faith and trust = SIMPLE STUFF for KIDS to SEE

This is a joyful laughter by the way in Simplicity that is in Christ and the joy of the Holy Spirit.

Religion makes such a confusing mess of things.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What is the Kingdom of the Body of Christ???

Jacob's Ladder and this:

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

We get Reborn with a Kingdom Image ....The Way to access The Tree of LIFE.