A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

[lamad]

"in the world you will have tribulation"

Don't be pulling verses or parts of verses out of context to prove a point. WHERE in the book did John see the great crowd too large to number? Was it in chapter 19? No, definitely not! It was in chapter 7 and that was before any part of the 70th week.

 

[lamad]

there is no secret advent anywhere in scripture "every eye shall see Him ..."

Again, don't pull verses or parts of verses out of their context to attempt to prove some theory. The "every eye will see HIm is written IN CONTEXT for His coming after the tribulation of those days—His coming to Armageddon.

You will not find that phrase ANYWHERE in His 1 Thes. 4 coming to the air. Have you never seen a plane disappear into a cloud where you could no longer see it?

 

[Evmur]

Have you seen an original, to know if that title was written by John or was added later?

no..

 

[Isaskar]

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark will be a device that is put under the skin for the definition is to stick, prick, which can be a hypodermic needle that puts the mark in the person, and a mark incised or punched which is referring it to be put in something which is under the skin for the mark is given to people.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology for the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind, and benefit them, but mankind's technology and devices can help to achieve peace on earth.

Which will be a microchip just under the skin linked to satellite with all information about the person on the chip including finances for no person can buy or sell without the mark, and to cut down on crime for if a crime happens they will know who was in the location and how close they were to the crime scene, and can locate lost people or whoever they want to locate.

Going along with the beast's agenda and worshipping the beast precedes taking the mark of the beast, and when they take the mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God can end sin on earth.

The New Age Christ, beast, will be of the occult, and the occult believes in the power of numbers for they are about the power of nature, and the adding, timing, and grouping of numbers which they believe will give them more power through nature.

The number 6 is the number of a man, or the soul of a man, so the New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to evolve to be greater and spiritual, and to establish his kingdom.

The New Age Christ will work in the world for three and one half years and push the agenda of the new age movement to condition the world to accept him when he claims to be God.

What will probably happen is that they will eventually not allow people to enter store, businesses, work, and other places people go without a vaccination card to prove they were vaccinated.

But a vaccination card can be lost and then the vaccinated cannot provide for their needs, and the card can be falsified which then then the unvaccinated can be among the vaccinated.

So they will probably go to a microchip under the skin that can be scanned to identify all people who have been vaccinated and want it to be a motivating factor for the unvaccinated to get vaccinated and the chip so they can supply their needs.

I believe as you believe on this Salute to you brother or sister

 

[Evmur]

Don't be pulling verses or parts of verses out of context to prove a point. WHERE in the book did John see the great crowd too large to number? Was it in chapter 19? No, definitely not! It was in chapter 7 and that was before any part of the 70th week.

They had come out 0f great tribulation ... the 70th week concerns the Jews not the church.

 

[lamad]

The number 666 is used 3 times in the OT (Solomon's wealth twice and census once).
There is no exact correlation with the bible, There is however 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 vials.
Those who do not see (and believe) the 7th seal takes the Glory of God for granted. The 6 seals are all just cycles of history - fantasies and fable to scare children. Those who do not hear (and take to heart) the 7th trumpet takes the Glory of Jesus away. The 6 trumpets are just insanities for the feeble minded and not clarion calls to defend the faith. Those who drink from broken cisterns of fetid salt water of the 7th vial (and argues they taste like fresh water of the fountain) takes away from the Chastity of the Bride. The 6 vials are for the others who profane, not our doctrines that profane.

As per Rev 14:6-12,
<7th Seal> - Fear God, and give glory to him
<7th Trumpet> - Babylon is fallen, is fallen
<7th Vial> - The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God

What you write will be declared as MYTH by billions of believers. It is all the word of God and the word of TRUTH.

 

[Evmur]

Again, don't pull verses or parts of verses out of their context to attempt to prove some theory. The "every eye will see HIm is written IN CONTEXT for His coming after the tribulation of those days—His coming to Armageddon.

You will not find that phrase ANYWHERE in His 1 Thes. 4 coming to the air. Have you never seen a plane disappear into a cloud where you could no longer see it?

am I suppose to answer this jumble of unscripture?

 

[lamad]

It never is Sunday in 1. Corinth. 11. I would remind you that the apostolic tradition was to break bread daily.

Just so you know, the Day of the Lord in Revelation does not start until the 6th seal - which is future to us today. The 5th seal was opened long ago as it is for the martyrs of the church age.

 

[ResidentAlien]

This image shows a note on Revelation 4:2 from the Scofield Reference Bible, 1917 edition. Scofield popularized the idea that Revelation 4:1-2 is the rapture. It's not in the text; it's just a fanciful idea.

Here's a link to the page from which this image comes. It's at the bottom of the page: https://archive.org/details/scofieldreferenc00unse/page/1334/mode/1up



It says it's "clearly" a fulfillment of 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. It's not at all clear but many have swallowed up Scofield hook, line and sinker.

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, thus also God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. Because the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall always be with the Lord."—1 Thessalonians 4:14-17

 

[lamad]

When we read the book of Revelation, it's important to remember that our Lord took John spiritually into the future (this is prophecy), and many of the events he describes have yet to happen in real time, despite the fact that he witnessed them.

I would only add that He was SHOWN the future in a vision. I doubt if John was transported through time.

 

[lamad]

am I suppose to answer this jumble of unscripture?

Well, you can ATTEMPT to find "every eye will see Him" in His 1 Thes. 4 coming. But I don't think you will succeed.

Did you not notice that the context of 1 Thes. 4 is BEFORE Wrath and before the Day of the Lord, while the context of "after the tribulation of those days" is years later? After and Before cannot be pushed or forced together: imposible.

 

[Evmur]

This image shows a note on Revelation 4:2 from the Scofield Reference Bible, 1917 edition. Scofield popularized the idea that Revelation 4:1-2 is the rapture. It's not in the text; it's just a fanciful idea.

Here's a link to the page from which this image comes. It's at the bottom of the page: https://archive.org/details/scofieldreferenc00unse/page/1334/mode/1up

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It says it's "clearly" a fulfillment of 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. It's not at all clear but many have swallowed up Scofield hook, line and sinker.

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, thus also God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. Because the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall always be with the Lord."—1 Thessalonians 4:14-17

Schofield like Darby were crooked, well respected by many but crooked.

 

[Evmur]

Well, you can ATTEMPT to find "every eye will see Him" in His 1 Thes. 4 coming. But I don't think you will succeed.

Did you not notice that the context of 1 Thes. 4 is BEFORE Wrath and before the Day of the Lord, while the context of "after the tribulation of those days" is years later? After and Before cannot be pushed or forced together: imposible.

The coming of the Lord is the beginning of the 1, 000 years aka as the day of the Lord.

 

[lamad]

Only to those who do not understand the Rapture. John is told to come up here means he's being shown what will happen after the Rapture. This is why Rev. 4:4 we see the Seven Churches (7 = Completion) of all the Church Age in Heaven and they are described as OVERCOMERS and those who loved not their lives unto death. As they were "Promised" in Revelation 2:10 (a CROWN), and in Rev. 3:5 (a White Raiment) and in Rev. 3:21 (to sit at God's THRONE) they thus are described in Rev. 4:4 with Crowns and White Raiment, sitting at God's throne (I wonder why). Then in Rev. 5:9-10, we see that this multitude, from "EVERY NATION" are redeemed by the blood of Jesus, and Angels do not need redemption, so I wonder who that could be, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it's the Church !! Who you try to imply that this doesn't represent !!

John is the only one being shown the vision, so Jesus is of course going to speak unto John and not others who are there in that future time, God lives in ALL TIME at once. WE don't.

he's being shown what will happen after the Rapture. MYTH.
In revelation the rapture cannot and will not take place until the final church age martyr (5th seal) is killed. But it has to happen before the 6th seal start of God's wrath. It was not mistake then that John SAW the raptured church in heaven as that great crowd too large to number, and wrote of it in the next chapter.

 

[lamad]

The coming of the Lord is the beginning of the 1, 000 years aka as the day of the Lord.

Well, He certainly will come as Rev. 19 shows His coming - to Armageddon.

But nothing written in Matthew 24 or Revelation would or could prevent His coming 7 years previous (1 Thes. 4 coming) FOR His church. Since He will come WITH His church in Rev. 19, it makes perfect sense that they must have arrived in heaven sometime before the marriage and supper. John did not see the rapture, but was allowed to see the raptured church right after the rapture, as that great crowd too large to number.

No matter how hard posttribbers try to force TWO scriptural comings into one, there will always be scripture in their way. How in the world will you get to heaven for the marriage and supper if you are caught up when He is on the way down?

 

[lamad]

Schofield like Darby were crooked, well respected by many but crooked.

I doubt if you knew the man.

 

[lamad]

@Isaskar

If you don't have the Seal of God in your forehead, you'll have the Seal of Satan, the mark of the beast, in your forehead. It's actually quite simple. Either you belong to Christ, the Son of God, and have His Word, His seal in your mind, or you belong to Satan, the Son of Perdition, and have his seal (mark) in your mind.

So what is the Seal of God? It is knowing what the Word of God (the Bible) says.

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

- Ephesians 1:13-14 (NKJV)

The seal of the Holy Spirit is inside: in our recreated human spirit. The seal Revelation talks about is for the 144,000 Hebrews who will then be protected through the trumpet judgments. They are next seen in heaven some little time after the midpoint of the future 70th week. John does not tell us how they got there. My guess is, they were caught up.

However, the church will be caught up just before these 144,000 are sealed.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Schofield like Darby were crooked, well respected by many but crooked.

Here's a link to my post #48 in response to your post #29. Not sure if you saw it amid the flurry of activity.

 

[Evmur]

Well, He certainly will come as Rev. 19 shows His coming - to Armageddon.

But nothing written in Matthew 24 or Revelation would or could prevent His coming 7 years previous (1 Thes. 4 coming) FOR His church. Since He will come WITH His church in Rev. 19, it makes perfect sense that they must have arrived in heaven sometime before the marriage and supper. John did not see the rapture, but was allowed to see the raptured church right after the rapture, as that great crowd too large to number.

No matter how hard posttribbers try to force TWO scriptural comings into one, there will always be scripture in their way. How in the world will you get to heaven for the marriage and supper if you are caught up when He is on the way down?

There is one coming to gather the saints Jesus said "after the tribulation of those days"

2 Thess is written to clarify what Paul had written in 1. Thess so it is the same event

 

[lamad]

They had come out 0f great tribulation ... the 70th week concerns the Jews not the church.

My point was, the "great tribulation" written in chapter 7 is NOT "those days" of "great tribulation" Jesus spoke of that will be caused by the Beast and False Prophet. I believe John is referring to general life on earth as a sinner: it is filled with tribulation. I agree, the 70th week is for the Hebrews, not for the church. That is why God's plan is to pull the church out just before He begins the Day of His wrath.