If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?
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Nope, i got it, thank you Brother - did you notice what it did not say???
It did not say: Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.
Cast out is one thing - satan is still free to roam about on earth and the earthly realm.
He was definitely cast out, but not placed in prison.
The Scripture is clear - satan being bound only ocurs at the LORD's Second Coming.
It did not say: Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.
Cast out is one thing - satan is still free to roam about on earth and the earthly realm.
He was definitely cast out, but not placed in prison.
The Scripture is clear - satan being bound only ocurs at the LORD's Second Coming.
Mount Zion and Mount Sion is the same thing, right?
i asked this question on another site, you just answered it:
Did JESUS start Reigning in David's throne (Luke 1:32) after the 70 weeks of Daniel, because David's seat was on Mount Zion which represents GOD'S Kingdom?
Luke 1:32-33
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."
i asked this question on another site, you just answered it:
Did JESUS start Reigning in David's throne (Luke 1:32) after the 70 weeks of Daniel, because David's seat was on Mount Zion which represents GOD'S Kingdom?
Luke 1:32-33
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."
Except that it does not state anything about satan being bound and placed in prison.
Since the Scripture, which cannot lie, says that satan only gets bound, sealed and locked up in prison at the LORD's Second Coming,
no one should be saying otherwise.
Whenever we seek to form a doctrine, that doctrine must adhere and conform to Scripture - if it fails in one point, it all fails and must be reexamined.
The problem arises when we fail to observe and obey what is written in favor of the doctrine that is contrary to Scripture.
So, one must say to themself - at the LORD's Second Coming shall satan be bound as it is written - amen
Since the Scripture, which cannot lie, says that satan only gets bound, sealed and locked up in prison at the LORD's Second Coming,
no one should be saying otherwise.
Whenever we seek to form a doctrine, that doctrine must adhere and conform to Scripture - if it fails in one point, it all fails and must be reexamined.
The problem arises when we fail to observe and obey what is written in favor of the doctrine that is contrary to Scripture.
So, one must say to themself - at the LORD's Second Coming shall satan be bound as it is written - amen
Show me scripture saying satan only gets bound on JESUS' Second Coming. The "thousand" years before His Coming is when satan is "bound".
What do you think "now" means?
John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 16:11
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”
What do you think "now" means?
John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 16:11
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
The FIRST Resurrection only takes place at His Second Coming which is in Revelation chapters 19 - 20.
Read 1 Thessalonians & 2 Thessalonians & 1 John & 1 Cor ch15
PEACE Brother
Correct, God is not the author of confusion so HE places the lock up of satan with the LORD's Second Coming - not before.
The Archangel Michael only kicks satan out of heaven - no lock up of satan until the Second Coming of the LORD.
Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.
And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world.
He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. - Revelation ch12
God is not the author of confusion.
PEACE
The Archangel Michael only kicks satan out of heaven - no lock up of satan until the Second Coming of the LORD.
Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.
And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world.
He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. - Revelation ch12
God is not the author of confusion.
PEACE
That doesn't prove anything other than it was not Jesus who bound satan. It does happen after Christ has returned and that angel binds and imprisons satan which is not the Amill version of satan's binding which doesn't involve an angel or a prison just a long invisible chain that is the gospel that restricts satan but doesn't stop or imprison him. That's not what the bible describes.
An angel binds satan, not the gospel.
The angels uses a symbolic chain to bind satan, not the gospel.
The angel locks satan inside of a bottomless pit prison, the gospel is not used.
This happens after the saints of the Great Tribulation are beheaded and the Great Tribulation has not started yet so everything about Amill is false and unbiblical.
An angel binds satan, not the gospel.
The angels uses a symbolic chain to bind satan, not the gospel.
The angel locks satan inside of a bottomless pit prison, the gospel is not used.
This happens after the saints of the Great Tribulation are beheaded and the Great Tribulation has not started yet so everything about Amill is false and unbiblical.
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Revelation 2:12-13
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.
Revelation 2:12-13
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.
This Clear Scripture directly refutes that Satan was bound at the Cross.
We love you Brother and want the best for you.
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.
This Clear Scripture directly refutes that Satan was bound at the Cross.
We love you Brother and want the best for you.
That would be 'barred' from the Court of Heaven.
Bound means he is unable to do anything whereas Barred means you cannot enter the Court.
Just as it is written: "Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison," Rev 2:10
as it is written: "Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."
1 Peter 5:8
Bound means he is unable to do anything whereas Barred means you cannot enter the Court.
Just as it is written: "Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison," Rev 2:10
as it is written: "Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."
1 Peter 5:8
So my thinking is Satan will be loosed when the anti-christ is revealed since Revelation says Satan is loosed to 'deceive the nations'--Satan will work thru him as he did with Hitler. This is an idea that is forming in my head--I need to study it further--so many things coming to mind because of this thread!
3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?6And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
—2 Thessalonians 2:3–10
3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?6And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
—2 Thessalonians 2:3–10
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Also this happens here in Revelation chapter 12
Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of His Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—
he who accuses them day and night before our God.
Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of His Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—
he who accuses them day and night before our God.