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[Gideon300]

If you think so, so be it.

It's not my opinion. It's not what I think. It is the reality in the experience of nearly 2 billion people and direct quotes from Islam's far from holy book. And if I publicly criticised the Koran in a Muslim nation, I would be a dead man.

Check out Open Door's list of nations that persecute Christians. 9 out of the top ten are Muslim. Blasphemy laws are in force in in mosr Muslim countries and is punishable by death (officially) in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, Brunei and Mauritania. Unofficial killings are not unusual. Sometimes those who defend alleged blasphemers are killed also. There is a great deal of attention paid to China at present. Not so much is said about Islam, I suspect because it is a life threatening pursuit. We will see in 30-50 years when Britain becomes a Muslim nation. A modern military with nuclear weapons under the control of Muslims? That will be interesting.

 

[soberxp]

It's not my opinion. It's not what I think. It is the reality in the experience of nearly 2 billion people and direct quotes from Islam's far from holy book. And if I publicly criticised the Koran in a Muslim nation, I would be a dead man.

Check out Open Door's list of nations that persecute Christians. 9 out of the top ten are Muslim. Blasphemy laws are in force in in mosr Muslim countries and is punishable by death (officially) in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, Brunei and Mauritania. Unofficial killings are not unusual. Sometimes those who defend alleged blasphemers are killed also. There is a great deal of attention paid to China at present. Not so much is said about Islam, I suspect because it is a life threatening pursuit. We will see in 30-50 years when Britain becomes a Muslim nation. A modern military with nuclear weapons under the control of Muslims? That will be interesting.

There are many Muslims around me. We live in harmony. In China.........

 

[Gideon300]

There are many Muslims around me. We live in harmony. In China.........

China is not a Muslim majority country. There are quite a few Muslims in Australia. Our intelligence organisation is kept busy shutting down Muslim Jihadists plots. And we have too many right wing nut jobs also. However, Muslims here are generally not a big problem. But majority Muslim countries practice Islam according to the Qur'an. That's where you see real Islam in practice.

 

[soberxp]

China is not a Muslim majority country. There are quite a few Muslims in Australia. Our intelligence organisation is kept busy shutting down Muslim Jihadists plots. And we have too many right wing nut jobs also. However, Muslims here are generally not a big problem. But majority Muslim countries practice Islam according to the Qur'an. That's where you see real Islam in practice.

I never think that a few extreme Muslims represent the Islamic world.
I remember the book said that Allah would not consider killing innocent people as innocent.
Extremists kill innocent Muslims, which in itself goes against the words of that book.

 

[Magenta]

I never think that a few extreme Muslims represent the Islamic world.
I remember the book said that Allah would not consider killing innocent people as innocent.
Extremists kill innocent Muslims, which in itself goes against the words of that book.

Of course people who wish to defend the Quran (and Mohammed) make such statements as you, pretending that the fundamental Quranic principle is that fighting is allowed only in self-defense, and that arms must be taken up only in a just war, despite the fact that Islam is advanced by the sword and has been from the beginning, which explains the early spread of Islam through military conquest. Mohammed had people put to death simply for writing about him in ways he did not like; they mocked, insulted, or cast doubt on him, and this murderous example is still being followed by Islamists. Check out this list: List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad - WikiIslam

Why do you think there is truth written in a book that records those things Mohammed
was told to write down by a jinn who did not even know that Mohammed was illiterate?

 

[Gideon300]

I never think that a few extreme Muslims represent the Islamic world.
I remember the book said that Allah would not consider killing innocent people as innocent.
Extremists kill innocent Muslims, which in itself goes against the words of that book.

This is Australia. Not a Muslim country. Yet this happened. These are ordinary Muslims, not AK47 waving extremists:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12...-park-over-faith-dispute-court-told/100667088

 

[soberxp]

Of course people who wish to defend the Quran (and Mohammed) make such statements as you, pretending that the fundamental Quranic principle is that fighting is allowed only in self-defense, and that arms must be taken up only in a just war, despite the fact that Islam is advanced by the sword and has been from the beginning, which explains the early spread of Islam through military conquest. Mohammed had people put to death simply for writing about him in ways he did not like; they mocked, insulted, or cast doubt on him, and this murderous example is still being followed by Islamists. Check out this list: List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad - WikiIslam

Why do you think there is truth written in a book that records those things Mohammed
was told to write down by a jinn who did not even know that Mohammed was illiterate?

It seems that you have forgotten a word in the Bible that no one is good except God.

Another point, I need to explain, I remember the tone in the book is not only to express the meaning of innocence, but also to predict what will happen in the Islamic world about wrong path.

So I'm not surprised that these things happen.

So what you see and what I see are different.

 

[Magenta]

It seems that you have forgotten a word in the Bible that no one is good except God.

You assume too much.

Another point, I need to explain, I remember the tone in the book is not only to express the
meaning of innocence, but also to predict what will happen in the Islamic world about wrong path.

So I'm not surprised that these things happen.

So what you see and what I see are different.

How do you figure that a war mongering adulterous pedophile expresses the meaning of innocence?

No need to explain why you idolize him.

 

[soberxp]

You assume too much.

How do you figure that a war mongering adulterous pedophile expresses the meaning of innocence?

No need to explain why you idolize him.

If you think that book is nonsense, please don't be arrogant and humbly pray for these followers, our father in heaven .... ETC..........pray as this.

 

[Magenta]

If you think that book is nonsense, please don't be arrogant and humbly
pray for these followers, our father in heaven .... ETC..........pray as this.

Where did I say it was nonsense? Why don't you answer my questions?

I'll refresh your memory:

Why do you think there is truth written in a book that records those things Mohammed
was told to write down by a jinn who did not even know that Mohammed was illiterate?

How do you figure that a war mongering adulterous pedophile expresses the meaning of innocence?

 

[soberxp]

Where did I say it was nonsense? Why don't you answer my questions?

I'll refresh your memory:

Why do you think there is truth written in a book that records those things Mohammed
was told to write down by a jinn who did not even know that Mohammed was illiterate?

How do you figure that a war mongering adulterous pedophile expresses the meaning of innocence?

I can't answer your question because I don't study Mohammed.

If God sent an angel to let someone write this book, does it have something to do with the bad guy Mohammed?

What I want to say is that the English translations you read are inaccurate or deliberately tampered with. some meaning lost in translations.

 

[Magenta]

I can't answer your question because I don't study Mohammed.

If God sent an angel to let someone write this book, does it have something to do with the bad guy Mohammed?

What I want to say is that the English translations you read are inaccurate
or deliberately tampered with. some meaning lost in translations.

You introduce a lot of "If's" into your responses. Do you know anything for certain?

According to the Quran, one of the attributes of the angels is that they were created from light, and
the jinn were created from fire. It is mentioned in the Quran that Iblis (Satan) was created from fire.

The Satanic verses alone should prove to any seeker of Truth that the Quarn did not originate with God.

 

[soberxp]

You introduce a lot of "If's" into your responses. Do you know anything for certain?

According to the Quran, one of the attributes of the angels is that they were created from light, and
the jinn were created from fire. It is mentioned in the Quran that Iblis (Satan) was created from fire.

The Satanic verses alone should prove to any seeker of Truth that the Quarn did not originate with God.

Let's do a logical reasoning.
Mohammed is blind,so he never read OT n NT.
So why in the Quarn, it says both Jew and Christian read the book of God ?
Is there a big if ?
How did a blind man carefully plan a religious reform ?

 

[Magenta]

Let's do a logical reasoning.
Mohammed is blind,so he never read OT n NT.
So why in the Quarn, it says both Jew and Christian read the book of God ?
Is there a big if ?
How did a blind man carefully plan a religious reform ?

I already answered that question: Islam was spread by the sword.

It does not take a rocket scientist to know that Jews and Christians
read Scripture. Oh, yes, even illiterate people would know this!

Mohammed directs his followers to kill people of the Book.

The Quran's Verses of Violence (thereligionofpeace.com)

Muhammad also told the Quraysh, the pagan Arabs of Mecca who rejected
his claim to be a prophet, “I bring you slaughter.” (Ibn Ishaq 131)

Here is a list of Islamic killings in the last 30 days:

List of Islamic Terror Attacks (thereligionofpeace.com)

The Qur'an, Sura 4 verse 65 ~ submission to Allah requires complete obedience
to all of Muhammad's decisions. Perhaps you could familiarize yourself a bit better
with the man who invented Islam? Since you seem to be so enamored with it.

Answering Muslims: 50 Reasons Muhammad Was Not a Prophet

 

[Aaron56]

It would be best if we think of Islam as a plan for a one-world government instead of a religion: Think Dominionist Christians with a penchant for violence in the Arab nations.

With that frame of mind we can easily see how the jihadists are the military branch of the Islamic government. Not every Muslim fights, but it is in their Quran and Hadith that fighting and killing are necessary at certain times. Here in the U.S. the armed forces are dispatched when conflict requires violence. While it is true that not every citizen takes up arms and shoots at others, the U.S. can order that some citizens take up arms and shoot at others. For Muslims, this, too, is well documented in the books and in their history.

Also, don't be fooled with the Islamic definition of "innocent". Their religion defines the term and the meaning includes not opposing the ways of Allah. So, for example, they might not consider a woman who did not cover herself properly "innocent". When pressed on this issue they will fall back to their mantra: "Allah does not permit the killing of the innocent."

Lastly, Muhammad was not blind but they claim he was illiterate, which is doubtful. He was very sick after conversing with "Gabriel" who allegedly gave in the words of the Quran. It makes me conclude that "Gabriel" was in fact a demon, which would be consistent with demons masquerading as the Lord's angels.

 

[Jesus_Leads]

Let's do a logical reasoning.
Mohammed is blind,so he never read OT n NT.
So why in the Quarn, it says both Jew and Christian read the book of God ?
Is there a big if ?
How did a blind man carefully plan a religious reform ?

Let's take your argument, if God choose a sinful man to tell his message to the world, is that a good God. All humans are sinners, but God of Israel in bible only chooses those who tries to live a holy life(not holy completely atleast a heart that wants to do good) according to God's will. So god of Muhammad is not the true God in who we believe in. Instead of rejecting claims from others try to think about them you will find the truth.

 

[soberxp]

The Islamic world is a contradictory result. They recognize the Old Testament and the New Testament, but they do not think Jesus is the son of God. They may have moved towards a contradictory position,cuz they never read the Old Testament and the New Testament,only read Quarn

In fact, the world is also a contradictory combination,
Hatred between two countries may eventually lead to war.

Let's not talk about the reasons for the war of aggression. If we want to talk about the war of aggression, countries in the western world have basically participated in invading old China. If we want to talk about hatred, does China hate the western world so much? So are the Chinese more Christian than secular? Although most Chinese don't believe in Jesus.

However, due to the ideological hatred of the western world towards China, the Chinese people see it in their eyes. Many people will find it boring. Of course, some Chinese will hate it back. This is normal， the rule of the world, or rule of Satan.

But as a Christian, understand that what is the purpose of loving the enemy to avoid before the war ?

These are two things, love the enemy, and the so-called just war you describe.

There is no real justice in any war.

War cuz more war, and war cuz more hate......and war.

 

[soberxp]

I just heard that Mohammed was blind and lame. I don't have much information about him. Maybe I heard the wrong information.

If someone want to discuss Japan's war of aggression in World War II, they think they are just. In order to prevent the spread of Western colonialism in Asia, they launched jihad. Does that sound like justice？

 

[Jesus_Leads]

I just heard that Mohammed was blind and lame. I don't have much information about him. Maybe I heard the wrong information.

If someone want to discuss Japan's war of aggression in World War II, they think they are just. In order to prevent the spread of Western colonialism in Asia, they launched jihad. Does that sound like justice？

Yes and hitler thought his race is superior and everyone else should die. Sounds like just in his view since he loved his country so much.

 

[NodeIII]

The sworn patronage of christians and jews with the breach between the Bishop Cyril and the Prefect Orestes as one example. This dated before Muhammad.