How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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The Destruction of Jerusalem
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
This was fulfilled in 70 AD
the gentiles have been trampling jerusalem since then, and will continue to trample it until the return of Christ.
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
This was fulfilled in 70 AD
the gentiles have been trampling jerusalem since then, and will continue to trample it until the return of Christ.
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Clearly not:
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
This was said right outside of temple Christ just exited. His disciples come to him at that same temple. This clearly happening at temple complex not on the mount. They still have to walk about an hour to reach the mount of Olives.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
This was said right outside of temple Christ just exited. His disciples come to him at that same temple. This clearly happening at temple complex not on the mount. They still have to walk about an hour to reach the mount of Olives.
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And you were there to know this?
Luke 21
5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”
7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”
Luke 21
5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”
7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”
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No the text was not clear
it says they had left the temple. And as they were walking.
In Luke’s account of the same conversation. It appears it is all one conversation.
Either way, the destruction of jerusalem and the scattering of the jews happened in 70 AD. Along with the destruction of the temple. So Jesus DID answer their question about the temple
it says they had left the temple. And as they were walking.
In Luke’s account of the same conversation. It appears it is all one conversation.
Either way, the destruction of jerusalem and the scattering of the jews happened in 70 AD. Along with the destruction of the temple. So Jesus DID answer their question about the temple
That's not what it says. It says Christ alone was exiting temple and disciples came to him. That's a meeting place right at temple. Christ gives a prophecy and then they will walk to mount as a group.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
On the mount they ask, "Tell us, when shall these things be?" Read carefully because Christ does not answer this question. He never says when anything takes place. He only answered about the signs of his coming and end of the word plus he gives signs that come prior to start of the Great Tribulation. He never says when any of this takes place, presumably based on something related to Mat_24:36 .
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
On the mount they ask, "Tell us, when shall these things be?" Read carefully because Christ does not answer this question. He never says when anything takes place. He only answered about the signs of his coming and end of the word plus he gives signs that come prior to start of the Great Tribulation. He never says when any of this takes place, presumably based on something related to Mat_24:36 .
Both of you can be pretty hard-headed... 
However, both of you have your good side, too!
ewq - I agree with you that it would be reasonable to define the OD as the discourse on the mount
eg - I agree with you that there are things in the OD that have come to pass in history
I was just hoping we could all not have to watch y'all argue over this for the next 3-5 pages...
Perhaps y'all could agree to disagree?
The "peacemaker" will now kindly step out of what he probably should not have "stepped into" in the first place - and let-you-have-it...
Argue-away!
I will stay out of it.
However, both of you have your good side, too!
ewq - I agree with you that it would be reasonable to define the OD as the discourse on the mount
eg - I agree with you that there are things in the OD that have come to pass in history
I was just hoping we could all not have to watch y'all argue over this for the next 3-5 pages...
Perhaps y'all could agree to disagree?
The "peacemaker" will now kindly step out of what he probably should not have "stepped into" in the first place - and let-you-have-it...
Argue-away!
I will stay out of it.