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Matt 24 is a conversation. The whole chapter. There was no break in it.
The words when will these things be is in reference to no stone being left..
How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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The words when will these things be is in reference to no stone being left..
If you are truly interested in understanding someone else's view, you must do so from their POV - with their definitions, etc.
The failure of doing this is one of the reasons for so much lack of good communication.
The failure of doing this is one of the reasons for so much lack of good communication.
There is a break which is the time it took to walk from the temple to where Christ gave the discourse. Verses 1-2 are NOT part of the Olivet Discourse just as Mat 26:11-13 aren't part of it.
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Its all about the same thing
When will these things take place (not one stone left) is part of the conversation.
You can not seperate them like your trying to. its like your walking and have a discussion and then you arrive and you continue the discussion. It is not two different discussions. It is still the same
I can see it both ways - that's right - at the same time.
Both of you guys are right "in your own right"...
Just let it go - okay?
Both of you guys are right "in your own right"...
Just let it go - okay?
This remains wrong. Talking to a professor as he walks from his car is not the same as the lecture he gives in the school especially when what he says outside of the school as being different than what he lectures about.
The destruction of the temple and city are a separate issue than the end times Great Tribulation events. Jerusalem is not destroyed during the Great Tribulation. It is where the antichrist will rule from. Any desolation the city suffers during that time is spiritual and moral. The only destruction it receives is from Earthquakes and that doesn't destroy the whole city.
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So your denying that when the disciples asked when will these things be that had to do with the no stone left standing?
Are you denying that?
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This is about the fact that something did happen From the olivet discourse, Which he claimed nothing did..
It is irrelevant. What was discussed at the temple is not part of the discourse given on the mount. Christ spoke of in discourse are events that will take place LONG after any destruction of temple.
If you want to Willy Nilly add anything to the Olivet Discourse then you can add all of Matthew and the other gospels as "the same conversation".
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Dude, you are one of the most proud person I have ever met.
It DOES MATTER
the disciples asked WHEN WILL THESE THINGS BE.
They asked about the conversation they were having on the way.
You just do not want to answer because you would have to admit something jesus spoke of HAS HAPPENED and you would be proven wrong.
I am not totally sure I understand what you mean by this (the last 5 words in particular); however, perhaps this could be the deciding factor in this argument...? :
"The Olivet Discourse consists of the discourse that took place on the mount of Olives."
Fair enough?
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And that remains correct. The temple was destroyed long ago but none of events of the actual Olivet Discourse have yet happened.
Mat 24:1-2 is a brief conversation about the destruction of the temple. This is pre-Olivet Discourse. The destruction of the temple does not happen anywhere near the Olivet Discourse events which is why Jesus said nothing at all about Jerusalem or the temple being destroyed near or during the Great Tribulation.
Mat 24:3-Mat 25:3-46 is the Olivet Discourse which is about the Great Tribulation, the events before it begins, the events during it, and events that take place after the Great Tribulation has ended followed by many different stories and parables that teach about the second coming.
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The olivet discourse is about
1. The destruction of the temple
2. The birth pangs
3. The great tribulation which occures in the middle of the 70th week
4. The great tribulation.
I have never in my life heard anyone who thought different.
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3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
70 AD
And what will bethe sign of Your coming,
The tribulation period
and of the end of the age?”
Many believe the end of the church age, hence the birth pangs jesus spoke about. Could also be the end of the tribulation age.
Says the one who employs Ad Hominem as a discussion tactic. Lowering yourself down to this childish behavior means you have nothing valid to discuss here and have chosen to personally attack instead which is cowardly.
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I just state the truth
You are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. You claim what happen in AD 70 has nothign to do with the olivet discourse. YOUR WRONG.
The whole conversation was a continuing one. You deny that.
The disciples asked. WHEN WILL THESE THINGS ME
what things?
THE THINGS THEY WERE DISCUSSING ON THE WAY THERE
where were that walking in way?
UP Mount OLIVET
The only reason you deny it is because it would prove you wrong.
And I say this because of all the conversations you and I have had not just this one. They all end the same way.
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WHEN WILL THESE THINGS BE.
Sorry dude. You can not get away from this one.
Jesus did nto talk about the end of the age or the tribulation period before this. The ONLY thing the spoke f was the destruction of the temple.