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[RolloTamasi]

Whenever we talk about politics on this forum, it surely falls under corruption.
The name Kamala comes up more recently than ever before.
What is it with this women?
The dems are saying she is a major weak link, but what dem isn't?
I wonder if I'll ever understand what she is all about.

Is she someone to be afraid of?
Maybe some kind of war monger against her own people?
Maybe she'll break down and cry if asked to make a major decision?
I just don't get it.

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

[Magenta]

Did the gospel or epistle writers focused on worldly matters?

 

[SomeDisciple]

Did the gospel or epistle writers focused on worldly matters?

Sometimes.
There are a TON of politics in the Gospel. Jesus interacted with political leaders of the Jewish community, and the Roman government- and he had plenty to say about paying taxes and being submissive to legitimate government authority. He told Roman soldiers not to abuse their authority and be happy with their pay. To a crowd he justified a tax collector who was being accused of being a dirtbag tax collector.
Of course the MAIN focus is on us being saved by Jesus, and advancing the kingdom of God, but there are plenty of things that are political in nature that can be unpacked.

 

[Magenta]

Sometimes.
There are a TON of politics in the Gospel. Jesus interacted with political leaders
of the Jewish community, and the Roman government- and he had plenty to say about
paying taxes and being submissive to legitimate government authority. He told
Roman soldiers not to abuse their authority and be happy with their pay. To a crowd
he justified a tax collector who was being accused of being a dirtbag tax collector.

Of course the MAIN focus is on us being saved by Jesus, and advancing the kingdom
of God, but there are plenty of things that are political in nature that can be unpacked.

A ton of politics in the NT seems like quite an exaggeration.

John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers,
who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit, then, in keeping
with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our
father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
9 The axe lies ready at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce
good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

10 The crowds asked him, “What then should we do?”

11 John replied, “Whoever has two tunics should share with
him who has none, and whoever has food should do the same.”

12 Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”

13 “Collect no more than you are authorized,” he (John) answered.

14 Then some soldiers asked him (John), “And what should we do?”

“Do not take money by force or false accusation,” he (John) said. “Be content with your wages.”

Were the people of God stirred up by Jesus or Paul or Peter or James or John etc, to take action against their oppressors?

Or were they encouraged to live Godly lives and spread the gospel?

 

[ZNP]

A ton of politics in the NT seems like quite an exaggeration.

There have been 2.5 billion bibles printed. A ton is only 2,000 pounds. So if you have 0.1 milligrams of each bible dedicated to politics you would have more than a ton of politics in all the bibles.

If you have 500 words on a page, one word of politics would weigh about 0.01 grams, or 100 tons when considering every bible.

 

[RolloTamasi]

There have been 2.5 billion bibles printed. A ton is only 2,000 pounds. So if you have 0.1 milligrams of each bible dedicated to politics you would have more than a ton of politics in all the bibles.

0.1 milligrams, that's a lot!!!

 

[Magenta]

There have been 2.5 billion bibles printed. A ton is only 2,000 pounds. So if you have 0.1 milligrams
of each bible dedicated to politics you would have more than a ton of politics in all the bibles.

You speak of the weight of paper... but it is the words themselves that are of importance.

So the ink? How much would the words of printed ink weigh?

You are hilarious

 

[ZNP]

You speak of the weight of paper... the words themselves, the ink? How much would they/that weigh?

You are hilarious

I estimate 100 tons per word, but since many Bibles are printed on very light paper it could be as little as 20 tons per word.

Just a little story about appealing to Caesar could run you a thousand tons. We need to remember that Paul's words were weighty.

 

[Magenta]

I estimate 100 tons per word, but since many Bibles are printed
on very light paper it could be as little as 20 tons per word.

Just a little story about appealing to Caesar could run you a thousand
tons. We need to remember that Paul's words were weighty.

Back to the point at hand: How many passages from the NT fomented Bible
adherents to take political action against the political powers that be?

 

[Oblio]

Wouldn't it be something if Kamala turned out to be a really decent, caring person who became president and unified the country?
In real life I'd be dodging eggs, rotten cabbages, perhaps rounds. So insults, in comparison, are gladly received! Lol

 

[Magenta]

Finally, brothers, we ask and encourage you in the Lord Jesus to live in a way that is pleasing to God

We urge you, brothers, to excel more and more (in love) and to aspire
to live quietly, to attend to your own matters, and to work with your
own hands, as we instructed you. Then you will behave properly
toward outsiders, without being dependent on anyone. 1 Thess 4:1; 4:10b-12

Colossians 4:5
Act wisely toward outsiders, redeeming the time.

 

[ZNP]

Back to the point at hand: How many passages from the NT fomented Bible
adherents to take political action against the political powers that be?

I think you have to narrow that down to the NT as the OT has a theocracy which would mean virtually everything in the OT was referring to political action.

Second I think you need to realize that all action is action, even if the Bible tells you to obey, that is action.

In the NT the appealing to Caesar by Paul is the single most obvious example. Praying for the king, and obeying the authorities are probably two more very significant sections.

The antichrist, the Great Babylon, the false prophet and the beast all refer to political organizations and politicians that will persecute the church.

But it would be interesting to go through word by word.

However, for the sake of this discussion I think it would be much more helpful to narrow the search to what specific action is advised for the current situation. You have to pick one --

1. Vaccine mandate?

2. Taxpayer funded abortion?

3. Open borders?

4. Unrestrained spending bills?

 

[ZNP]

Finally, brothers, we ask and encourage you in the Lord Jesus to live in a way that is pleasing to God

We urge you, brothers, to excel more and more (in love) and to aspire
to live quietly, to attend to your own matters, and to work with your
own hands, as we instructed you. Then you will behave properly
toward outsiders, without being dependent on anyone. 1 Thess 4:1; 4:10b-12

Colossians 4:5
Act wisely toward outsiders, redeeming the time.

You can aspire to live quietly and yet be forced to take action.

No doubt during the tribulation the saints aspire to live quietly and yet are decapitated because they refuse to worship the beast and take his mark.

 

[Magenta]

virtually everything in the OT was referring to political action.

Another gross exaggeration!

 

[ZNP]

Another gross exaggeration!

Every single history book, virtually every word in the prophets, half of Genesis, and the rest of the books of Moses.

Entire story of Joseph and Pharaoh

Story of Noah

Blessings to Abraham

Judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah

The exodus

The establishment of the law for the state of Israel

etc., etc.

 

[Oblio]

One thing I am sure of is...

I am on the road...to my home...in the New Jerusalem! And nobody can stop me!

 

[Magenta]

Every single history book, virtually every word in the prophets, half of Genesis, and the rest of the books of Moses.

Entire story of Joseph and Pharaoh

Story of Noah

Blessings to Abraham

Judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah

The exodus

The establishment of the law for the state of Israel

etc., etc.

Please give the verses where political action against political leaders was offered as a solution to believers.

 

[ZNP]

Please give the verses where political action against political leaders was offered as a solution to believers.

Let's define political action

1. Paying taxes? Of course. So then every verse about tithing and all the offerings in the Old Testament would be political action as the Israel government is a theocracy.

This also means every reference to sacrifice in the NT including the cross of Christ.

2. How about education? Of course, another institution of government. Every verse about teaching children, and since it was the parents responsibility to teach their children even one of the ten commandments to honor your father and mother.

3. How about police and the court system? Of course that is political, what politician will not run on either a platform of improving schools or improving the police. That covers the law and the prophets. The OT history is all about Israel and their government and their leaders so of course that counts as well. Read the account of any king and the Bible will tell you the actions they took which were good, the things they did which were bad, and the the things they didn't do which they should have.

4. How about the economy, is that part of the government? Of course, Clinton's campaign phrase "It's the economy, stupid". Many many verses throughout the Bible concerning what we should and shouldn't do, about being diligent, avoiding pitfalls, being wise, etc.

5. What about prayer, is that political? Of course it is, if it weren't why would they ban it in the schools?

6. What about the name of Jesus is that political? Again, why would teachers be prohibited from saying the name of Jesus in the classroom if it wasn't?

7. How about Marriage, Genders, abortion, health care? Yes, all these are political issues and they are also Biblical issues.

8. What about war? What about the mark of the beast? What about "the entire world lies in the evil one". Yes, once again they are all political issues and they are also Bibilical issues.

 

[Magenta]

Let's define political action

1. Paying taxes? Of course.

Is that an action taken against the ruling powers? Obviously not. Please try again.

2. How about education? Of course, another institution of government. Every verse about teaching children, and since it was the parents responsibility to teach their children even one of the ten commandments to honor your father and mother.

Is that an action taken against the ruling powers in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. Please try again.

4. How about the economy, is that part of the government? Of course, Clinton's campaign phrase "It's the economy, stupid". Many many verses throughout the Bible concerning what we should and shouldn't do, about being diligent, avoiding pitfalls, being wise, etc.

Is that an action believers are encouraged to take against the ruling
powers in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. Please try again.

5. What about prayer, is that political? Of course it is, if it weren't why would they ban it in the schools?

Is that a political action believers are encouraged to take against the ruling powers
in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. In fact you seem to have it backwards,
as we are encouraged to pray for those in power, not fight against them. Please try again.

6. What about the name of Jesus is that political? Again, why would teachers be prohibited from saying the name of Jesus in the classroom if it wasn't?

Is that a political action believers are encouraged to take against the ruling
powers that be in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. Please try again.

7. How about Marriage, Genders, abortion, health care? Yes, all these are political issues and they are also Biblical issues.

Where is the Scripture telling us to take political action against the ruling powers in order to
overthrow them? In fact we are told in is not our business to judge any outside the church!

8. What about war? What about the mark of the beast? What about "the entire world lies in the evil one". Yes, once again they are all political issues and they are also Bibilical issues.

What political actions have believers been encouraged to take against the ruling powers in order
to overthrow the political powers? You have provided no Scripture and offered non-sensical
answers in some instances, since we are to obey those in authority and pray for them.

 

[ZNP]

Is that an action taken against the ruling powers? Obviously not. Please try again.


Is that an action taken against the ruling powers in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. Please try again.


Is that an action believers are encouraged to take against the ruling
powers in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. Please try again.


Is that a political action believers are encouraged to take against the ruling powers
in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. In fact you seem to have it backwards,
as we are encouraged to pray for those in power, not fight against them. Please try again.


Is that a political action believers are encouraged to take against the ruling
powers that be in order to overthrow them? Obviously not. Please try again.


Where is the Scripture telling us to take political action against the ruling powers in order to
overthrow them? In fact we are told in is not our business to judge any outside the church!


What political actions have believers been encouraged to take against the ruling powers in order
to overthrow the political powers? You have provided no Scripture and offered non-sensical
answers in some instances, since we are to obey those in authority and pray for them.

No I'm not going to "try again". Define your terms. How could anyone possibly say that paying taxes is not a political action? Of course it is, so then what is the "ruling powers". No idea what you are talking about. The "authority" is the US constitution. We don't have "ruling powers" in the US, we have representatives. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Define the terms. What do you mean by "ruling powers".