Giving to poor while in debt?

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Magenta

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Dear friend Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth is a Jew who by the
grace of the Father was raised in Judaism and is not a Christian!
He speaks Hebrew, not English!
Jesus, as God incarnate in human form, could have spoken any language He chose. In His humanity, Jesus likely limited Himself to the languages common to His culture: Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek. Jesus likely spoke whichever of the three languages was most appropriate to the audience He was addressing. To say Jesus does not speak English is very short sighted and with great presumption limits the power of God, as if He cannot speak in any language He so chooses.
 

JTB

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I must disagree with the bankruptcy option.
That is simply theft.
While I understand some debt may be unavoidable because of medical needs, most is about people buying unnecessary things and/or not willing to save until they have enough to buy those things they want.
That, and the fact that the average worker hasn't seen a true raise since Saint Reagan codified income inequality
 
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Oblio

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#23
A Rabbi says that He's going to help me learn Hebrew! As I understand it, one will never get all that there is to get from the Tanakh unless they can read Hebrew. I've just got so much to learn, but I remind myself that He is Sovereign by singing this little ditty:

Master of the universe, YHVH-Elohim is His name! x2
Adonai...El Shadai...are names of the Lord Most High!
Yeshua Messiah died for us because He loves us! (He is...)

And while I'm going through this life, I keep telling myself..
"And I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever!" - Psalm 23:6:b NIV
 
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DWR

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It is not theft. Theft is the crime of stealing. Bankruptcy is a legal option.

I agree that most debt is accumulated through purchasing things unnecessarily.
Being legal in man's law does not make it just.
If you do not pay a debt you have agreed to pay, that is stealing from the person you owe.
 

studentoftheword

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Bearing Debt comes from our fleshy desires ----Debt keeps a person in bondage ----Money is not the root of all evil as many believe ------it is the Love of money by us Humans that is evil ----being in debt is a choice and shows bad Stewardship of what is God's ---All money belongs to God -----we own nothing ----we are just Stewards of what God gives us by and through His Blessings ----

if you are a Christian Giving to the poor is done out of our Love to please God--- so our being in debt should not override giving to the poor ----in my view

The Widow's Mites is a great example ----she gave all she had in she was poorness ----

Mark 12
The Widow’s Offering
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.

44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


I say ----So why would she do that ---give out of her poverty ---She had Great Faith and Trust in God to look after her ----the scripture is clear that when we give with a good and willing heart God will greatly Bless us ----she showed no fear of giving all she had ----

Take note of this scripture ----2 Corinthians 9

Generosity Encouraged

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.

9 As it is written:

“They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor;
their righteousness endures forever.”[a]

10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.

11 You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.

I say ---so when we Bless others --God will Bless us ------

You see when God Blesses us ---the Blessing is not for us ---the Blessing is used to Bless others not ourselves ----this gives us the ability to give and be a Blessing to the poor -----that is how I see it
 

Magenta

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Being legal in man's law does not make it just.
If you do not pay a debt you have agreed to pay, that is stealing from the person you owe.
The debt is reconfigured on terms that creditors agree to. It is not stealing.

Surely you are familiar with the concept of forgiveness?
 

RolloTamasi

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Being legal in man's law does not make it just.
If you do not pay a debt you have agreed to pay, that is stealing from the person you owe.
Not necessarily.
It depends on your point of view.
If our government allows us to apply for bankruptcy, how are we doing wrong?
It is a worldly issue and we are part of the world.
Those who we owe debts will then use our unpaid debt as a tax write-off.
Everyone wins.
Just play by the rules and you've done nothing wrong.
You think that's immoral?
Now that's another thread.
Just what is immoral and who decides?