Giving to poor while in debt?
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If you are in debt, you don’t have an arrangement to pay that debt (such as with a car loan or mortgage), and you give to the poor, you are stealing from your creditors.
Even with arranged debt repayments, it is still wise to pay them off asap.
Even with arranged debt repayments, it is still wise to pay them off asap.
Yes, absolutely. But only give what you can. "It is not our intention that others may be relieved while you are burdened, but that there may be equality."—1 Corinthians 2:15 If all you can give is $1 a week, give that. And don't let some con artist preacher trick you into tithing what you don't have in order to receive a big payout in return. You might as well head to Casino and try your luck there.
Yes.
Giving to the poor will only bring blessings from God to you.
In any case, IF a person is an adult, and alive, they are ALWAYS in debt. One sort of debt or another. So, if people did not give to the poor when in debt, NO ONE WOULD EVER GIVE TO THE POOR.
Giving to the poor will only bring blessings from God to you.
In any case, IF a person is an adult, and alive, they are ALWAYS in debt. One sort of debt or another. So, if people did not give to the poor when in debt, NO ONE WOULD EVER GIVE TO THE POOR.
Yes, absolutely. But only give what you can. "It is not our intention that others may be relieved while you are burdened, but that there may be equality."—1 Corinthians 2:15 If all you can give is $1 a week, give that. And don't let some con artist preacher trick you into tithing what you don't have in order to receive a big payout in return. You might as well head to Casino and try your luck there.
As a speaking Bro for thirty-five years I was not allowed to talk about MONEY! How can that be you ask ? The first time I tried to talk about money I was viciously attacked verbally by many members who were very angry like I have never seen them before!
Because I now am a Jew after the Rabbi Paul teachings of Judaism having studied for many years with over fifty different Rabbis who taught me Hebrew Torah and the Law of Moses just like Bro Thomas taught in his synagogue as he lived with a Rabbi and his family!DID YOU KNOWBro Thomas was called a JEW!
Since your group is now preaching REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY says Bro Graham Pearce the book of Malachi has no meaning!
4,000 talks on Ez 38 prophecy not one single talk on helping the poor widows, orphans, homeless, etc......
I cringed in my seat as the speaking Bro bragged how God had given everyone a nice home and car and air conditioning and computers and phones bragging how you all rob God of tithes and offerings which the Elohim, The Mighty Angels, accuse you of at the judgement seat in Malachi! So your group totally ignore any discussion on the book of Malachi and instead you hide your heads in the sand!
MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!! If you say you do not love money your lifestyle says otherwise to the Elohim.
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Because you have rejected Hebrew Torah, the Law of Moses, The Ten Commandments, you have rejected the ordinances and have not kept the seventh day Sabbath you qualify for the curses in Malachi so you avoid this book like the plague against you that it is!
No study days, special talks, gatherings discussions, on how to feed the poor!
You are much smarter than Abraham who taught us to give ten percent to the poor!
You suffer from Everlasting Ignorance as you commit Condemnation before Investigation rejecting Hebrew Torah before you even know what it teaches !
I have been disfellowshipped twice of course you can see why!
Shalom
You are not poor just because you are in debt.
Are you in debt? Will you be able to pay off your debts?
I got fairly deeply in debt a couple of decades ago.
Part of my debt accumulated from giving to the needy.
That is no excuse for spending beyond your means.
Debt is a snare that robs you of freedom.
If your interest payments are so great you are unable to significantly knock
down the principle over time, filing for bankruptcy may be your best choice.
Are you in debt? Will you be able to pay off your debts?
I got fairly deeply in debt a couple of decades ago.
Part of my debt accumulated from giving to the needy.
That is no excuse for spending beyond your means.
Debt is a snare that robs you of freedom.
If your interest payments are so great you are unable to significantly knock
down the principle over time, filing for bankruptcy may be your best choice.
There's a story of a poor old woman who gave only a penny, yet Jesus said she gave more than the rich did.
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Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Acts 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Acts 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
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I must disagree with the bankruptcy option.
That is simply theft.
While I understand some debt may be unavoidable because of medical needs, most is about people buying unnecessary things and/or not willing to save until they have enough to buy those things they want.
I would say just be carful that the poor you are giving to are truly deserving of assistance and not just conning you, since you are already in an impoverished state yourself. Depending on what poor we are talking about, sometimes they look and sound legit and yet end up using the money only for drugs or alcohol after you leave. Thus you end up going deeper into debt only to reinforce their sins and addictions.
If you are talking about helping the persecuted church and the Lord is specifically leading you to trust Him, that I wouldn't see a problem with, but make sure it is God. There are also preachers out there that are preying on the faithful, and they don't care whether you go deeper into debt or not, so long as you "support the work of the Lord," which sometimes mean buy them a bigger mansion.
Anyone buying a home and paying mortgages monthly or monthly bills are in debt buying a new car on credit and we’re in debt
I think there’s the kind of debt where we can’t pay our own way . And the kind of debt our love of nice things and new things and more things creates
if we can afford nice new things we should be able to give pretty generously I would say
debts aren’t equal neither are gifts Measured by the lord
“And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.”
Mark 12:41-44
giving should be to Our ability we need to of course care for our families and self but after that what’s left over we tend to use on luxuries and waste and eventually just don’t have enough to give anyone anything because we’ve used it on our own desires
sometimes to give a man three dollars when he’s asking for change , is going to bless him a lot more than one thinks little giving is still giving if that’s all we have to offer it’s always going to be acceptable according to Jesus
Paul then later taught the more we have the more we need to share and offer to others likening a lot of wealth of a believer , as to a gift from God that could be if shared willingly , used among the body to help others in need with too little.
We should give in secret and according to what we have and in Jesus name
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So you're a converted Jew! I've never met one of you before. Until a few years ago, I thought I was and English-Canadian Christian. Turns out that I'm descended from Levi.
I was listening to Rav Dror Moshe once and he was telling his class, "Christians truly believe the Jesus is Mashiach. They're not bad people, they're just mistaken. Are you going to be mad at someone because they made a mistake? No, you feel compassion for them." While I know that Yeshua is Mashiach and by His Spirit, lives in my heart, I thought that was really kind of him.
We've talked several times on Face Book, and he seems like a really nice guy. I recorded myself singing and playing my rendition of Psalm 23, and after I played it for him, he said that He could tell that I really loved the Lord. He really blessed me when He said that. And that was while he still thought I was a gentile Christian.
I don't know if you've ever heard of orthodox scholar Yair Davidiy of Hebrew Nations.com., but he's another favorite of mine. He's an expert in the ten tribes. I know that orthodox and messianic differ, and I'm just a beginner in this, but there's got to be some way to bridge the gap. We have so much in common. Shalom.
Master of the Universe...YHVH-Elohim is His name!
Dear friend Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth is a Jew who by the grace of the Father was raised in Judaism and is not a Christian!
He speaks Hebrew, not English!
After realizing these facts I decided to go to the Jewish synagogue to see what was going on.
The Rabbis greeted me with open arms. I have been studying for many years with over fifty different Rabbis who first read in Hebrew then explain in English, Hebrew Torah.
WOW, what a difference!
I promise you that you have never heard anything like it. So totally The English version is different like night and day. !
The catholic/Anglican king James in English has changed names times and seasons because they hate Judaism!
Dr. Thomas was called a Jew. He went to the synagogue and lived with a Rabbi and his family who taught him The Law of Moses so Dr Thomas taught others the Law of Moses!
Shalom