If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[Charlie24]

There was darkness before The Light.

Matthew 4:16-17
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Isaiah 9:2
1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

It means that God gave the Law to Israel, separated them unto Himself, and brought the Saviour of the world through their womb to be a light to the Gentiles, to introduce Christ to the world but they failed.

But as Paul said, God did not repent (change His mind) on the calling of Israel to proclaim the Messiah to the world. They failed the first time but they will not fail the second time during the Millennial reign of Christ!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

It means that God gave the Law to Israel, separated them unto Himself, and brought the Saviour of the world through their womb to be a light to the Gentiles, to introduce Christ to the world but they failed.

But as Paul said, God did not repent (change His mind) on the calling of Israel to proclaim the Messiah to the world. They failed the first time but they will not fail the second time during the Millennial reign of Christ!

Oh, so don't read what scripture i just showed you then. The Light obviously has nothing to do with the Law to Israel.

 

[DavidTree]

You are missing the key question--No one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born (anew, again or from above.) Nicodemus did not understand what the resurrection entailed. He wondered if in the resurrection one would be born again of flesh and blood. being of the Sanhedrin and a pharisee who believed in the resurrection. He didn't understand that flesh and blood could not enter the kingdom of god as he supposed.

Nicodemus was already a believer by stating -“Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.” And the foolish say that not good enough! Every believer is sealed with the Spirit but has not entered the kingdom. The kingdom of God is the Millennium reign, and will span 1000 years.

1Cor. 15:46 But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual.

50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Yeshua was teaching the resurrection

John 3:1-10 does not speak of His death and resurrection

John 3:13-21 does speak of His death and resurrection

The same LORD who spoke to these words to Moses, Deut 30:6, was now on earth speaking to Nicodemus about it.

The Circumcision of a mans' heart by the Word and the Spirit is the New Birth.
It was always there in Christ when HE called out Enoch, Noah, Melchizedek, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all whom HE called.

Not by might nor by power but by My Spirit says the LORD..............Amen

 

[Charlie24]

Oh, so don't read what scripture i just showed you then. The Light obviously has nothing to do with the Law to Israel.

Whatever you say, PJ.

 

[Jocund]

But as Paul said, God did not repent (change His mind) on the calling of Israel to proclaim the Messiah to the world. They failed the first time but they will not fail the second time during the Millennial reign of Christ!

Many of the house of Israel became Christian in the early days. I don't understand this concept that Israel somehow stands mutually exclusive from Christianity. It isn't scripturally premised.

 

[Charlie24]

Many of the house of Israel became Christian in the early days. I don't understand this concept that Israel somehow stands mutually exclusive from Christianity. It isn't scripturally premised.

As a nation Israel is the enemy of Christianity, as Paul said. But of course God has always had a remnant of Israel as He has right now!

 

[John146]

Our forgiveness is based upon the shed blood of Jesus Christ, not forgiving others.

Matthew 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[Omegatime]

Many of the house of Israel became Christian in the early days. I don't understand this concept that Israel somehow stands mutually exclusive from Christianity. It isn't scripturally premised.

Everyone will know the Lord in the Millenium reign

 

[Charlie24]

As a nation Israel is the enemy of Christianity, as Paul said. But of course God has always had a remnant of Israel as He has right now!

If you've kept up with what's going on in Israel, they are purging the land of Christians.

Anyone who proclaims Christ is shut down immediately, their business is gone. Anyone who hires a Christian is penalized by the government. Jewish Christians in Israel live in fear and silence!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Does anyone get how ridiculous it is to want a physical Kingdom just like the Jews overlooked? JESUS said He went to prepared a place for us ...He didn't say it was here for the infinite afterlife.

Please stop with this nonsense of a 1000 years where people have direct proof of GOD ...that's not how this works. This reality is built on the Free Will Choice to Choose GOD'S Plan of SALVATION. There is no choice if you can see GOD.

 

[Omegatime]

If you've kept up with what's going on in Israel, they are purging the land of Christians.

Anyone who proclaims Christ is shut down immediately, their business is gone. Anyone who hires a Christian is penalized by the government. Jewish Christians in Israel live in fear and silence!

And it will get worse for those jews who are christians for persecutions are foretold.

Matthew 24:9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation, and put you to death; and you will be hated by all nations (gentiles ) for my name’s sake. 10 And then many will fall away,[a] and betray one another, and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

Mark 13:9 “But take heed to yourselves; for they will deliver you up to councils; and you will be beaten in synagogues; and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear testimony before them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 And when they bring you to trial and deliver you up, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say; but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 And brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death; 13 and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

These verses are for Israel in the tribulation

 

[Charlie24]

And it will get worse for those jews who are christians for persecutions are foretold.

Matthew 24:9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation, and put you to death; and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10 And then many will fall away,[a] and betray one another, and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

Mark 13:9 “But take heed to yourselves; for they will deliver you up to councils; and you will be beaten in synagogues; and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear testimony before them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 And when they bring you to trial and deliver you up, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say; but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 And brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death; 13 and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

These verses are for Israel in the tribulation

That's exactly who that scripture is directed toward!

 

[DavidTree]

Many of the house of Israel became Christian in the early days. I don't understand this concept that Israel somehow stands mutually exclusive from Christianity. It isn't scripturally premised.

The separation of the Jew and Gentile in the Body of Christ is satan's attack plan.
The Devil did this when he sowed the seed of pre-trib rapture and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Few realize that Biblical Christianity started in Genesis.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

JESUS said to seek The Kingdom ...not wait for one on His Return:

Matthew 6:33-34
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

To claim there is Millennium Reign after His Return is to say He isn't a King now.

1 Timothy 6:15
Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

 

[Laura798]

If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​

Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:

What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."

I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church--I don’t recall much of eschatology, though they didn’t seem to have a solid understanding of heaven and hell. As an adult I attended a nondenominational church* and thankfully we didn’t have all this added teaching, such as pre-trib, predestination and the millennial reign of Christ--when I heard of the latter I really couldn’t see who would believe in such a thing--note that Jesus chided the disciples on several occasions for taking what he said literally--I notice when people believe in something unscriptural they must as needs, prop it up with their own commentary, e.g.--”Well it is really saying this.

*Non denoms come with their own set of problems-namely man centered and a watered down gospel.

One of my favorite quotes by Sir Isaac Newton is helpful when discerning truth from fiction:

“Truth is ever to be found in simplicity and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.”

At Christ’s coming there is the judgment and then immediately after that all is destroyed, including the wicked!

““But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him. Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.…”--1st Corinthians 15:23-25 <Simple!

Note that at His coming He hands over the kingdom to God the Father. He is ruling and reigning now in heaven and in heart of every believer--what has he defeated at the cross--sin and death! Satan is bound now, equivalent to His symbolic 1000 year reign!

I noticed one post here when Christ is speaking to his disciples and saying they will deliver YOU up--well this happened to many of them as well as hundreds and thousands of Christians over the centuries! This is not talking about the end times, though after the antichrist is revealed, yes if we are here some of us will be killed, both believing Jew and Gentile.

The millennial reign of Christ is found nowhere in scripture, other than in Revelation--obviously it is not to be taken literally--what was meant to be revealed was revealed by the angel e.g. The prostitute IS_______________The beast IS_____________, The many waters
ARE____________,The lake of fire IS__________________.

So any other symbolism should be understood as symbol and we should look for what the symbol represents and NOT take it literally.

“In scripture, the term “thousand,” when in reference to time, is always used symbolically. It represents any predetermined time that God chooses.”....
So what do the scriptures reveal about the number 1000? It is a number that typically signifies the idea of “immensity,” “fullness of quantity” or “multitude.”

“First, it should be pointed out that scripture does not speak of “the thousand year reign of Christ.” Revelation 20:4 says, “…and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,…and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” Notice that it’s not Christ that reigns 1000 years! It’s those who were killed for God’s sake that reign with Christ 1000 years. There are nineteen (19) Bible verses that declare that Christ’s reign is forever. Revelation 11:15 is one of the nineteen: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”
http://www.scripturerevealed.com/bible-studies/the-meaning-of-numbers-the-number-1000/

 

[Mofastus]

Many of the house of Israel became Christian in the early days. I don't understand this concept that Israel somehow stands mutually exclusive from Christianity. It isn't scripturally premised.

try telling a jewish rabbi that, the jewish faith has nothing to do with the new testament, even though they know it quite well, that's if I understand your statement correctly

 

[Mofastus]

The separation of the Jew and Gentile in the Body of Christ is satan's attack plan.
The Devil did this when he sowed the seed of pre-trib rapture and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Few realize that Biblical Christianity started in Genesis.

excuse me but Israel's blindness has nothing to do with the pre-trib rapture, Romans 11 says otherwise

 

[DavidTree]

excuse me but Israel's blindness has nothing to do with the pre-trib rapture, Romans 11 says otherwise

Brother, i am not speaking of Israel's blindness.

The falsehood of a 'pre-trib rapture' never came out of the Mouth of God and has nothing to do with either the Body of Christ nor the earthbound nation of Israel.

 

[Mofastus]

Brother, i am not speaking of Israel's blindness.

The falsehood of a 'pre-trib rapture' never came out of the Mouth of God and has nothing to do with either the Body of Christ nor the earthbound nation of Israel.

by all means carry on, personally I don't take much thought anymore on eschatology,(eternal judgement), we are to know exactly who we are in Christ Jesus today and to be made free, which is true, and as well I don't consider it to be a salvific issue, I watch those that trust in the pre-trib doctrines be just as boisterous as you are in what they believe and apparently if you haven't noticed yet, I think it's in vain, it makes it about opinions of the doctrines of men and not about Jesus and... It's all about Jesus! for me. forgive me for reading your post incorrectly, but I'll trust what Romans 11 states and leave it at that.