If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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tourist said:
The sign said King Of The Jews - in 3 languages.
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For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
Romans 2:28

The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. John 1:9-13

You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise. Galatian 3:26-29
 
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1 Corinthians 15:23-25
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
1 Corinthians 15:23-25
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
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Now He was questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, and He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs that can be observed; nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” Luke 17:20-21

For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13
 
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Matthew 6:31-34
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek: ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 
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Also, in 1 Cor. 15 we are to receive spiritual bodies and then the verse that says clearly--flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God----Spirit has preserved us for the kingdom of God
 
Boy, if people just understood the difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven, it sure would clear up most things.
 
So much confusion and most of it comes from the doctrines of men like being "Born Again."

Imagine why Jesus never mentioned it again, nor from the teachings of the apostles, nor their disciples, nor for 1900 years, even from the reformation John Calvin and Martin Luther never mentioned being born again. We have been bewitched by a doctrine of man started 100 years ago
 
soberxp said:
I'm confused.
what the different ?
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kingdom of heaven vs kingdom of God

Simply put, heaven and God are not the same. Heaven is a physical created place. God is a spirit.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The two terms never mean the same thing anywhere in scripture. The kingdom of heaven is the physical visible kingdom come down to earth where Jesus will be King ruling on David's earthly throne in Jerusalem. Whereas, the kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom of righteousness and holiness that lives within the believer. Both were at hand during the earthly ministry of Jesus.
 
soberxp said:
I'm confused.
what the different ?

I say
If we do some research we just may find the The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God are used interchangeably and both refer to the same thing ----they both refer to a Kingdom of systems or government that is under the rule of God -----

The Book of Matthew is the only one that uses the phrase ---Kingdom of Heaven ---the other Gospels use the Kingdom of God ---if you compare Matthew 4:17 with Mark 1:15 they say the same thing but one uses ---The Kingdom of Heaven and one uses the Kingdom of God -----you can also compare ----Matthew 5:3 with Luke 6:20 -----


Matthew 4:17
New International Version
17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”


Mark 1:15
New International Version
15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”

Matthew 5:3
New International Version
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


Luke 6:20
New International Version
20 Looking at his disciples, he said:
“Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
 
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Maybe heaven exist in another dimension wich either will be shown here or the point is that we go there
 
Omegatime said:
So much confusion and most of it comes from the doctrines of men like being "Born Again."

Imagine why Jesus never mentioned it again, nor from the teachings of the apostles, nor their disciples, nor for 1900 years, even from the reformation John Calvin and Martin Luther never mentioned being born again. We have been bewitched by a doctrine of man started 100 years ago
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JESUS is the same LORD who spoke to Moses about the New Birth.

The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. Deuteronomy 30:6

Now Pay ATTENTION to this dialogue:

Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”

Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things?
 
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Charlie24 said:
Jesus is definitely going to have His Kingdom on this earth!

When most folks read John 18:36 they fail to read the last line in that verse.

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

Because the Jews rejected Him the Kingdom was delayed. Of course God knew this would happen.

He came to set up His Kingdom on earth but the Jews rejected Him and now for the past 2000 years or so the Kingdom of God has been delayed.

The Jews were to accept Christ and introduce the Messiah to the world, but they failed, and God chose the Church to carry out this mission. We must realize that the Church is God's second choice! His original choice was His chosen people, the Jews!

The Second Coming is when Jesus sets up His Kingdom on this earth.

Matt. 25:31-32

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

This is when the Kingdom Age begins on earth with Christ reigning from David's throne in Jerusalem.

Much to be said, but I'll stop here for now.
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There is no such thing as "delay" with God.

There is no such thing as "second choice" with God.


There are only things you understand and things you don't. When the facts show that you are wrong in your thinking, that doesn't mean that God has yet to fulfill your "understanding". It doesn't mean that there has been delay.

It just means you are wrong. Just like those "experts" of the Law they called Pharisees. They all think the same way you do. That they are Gods Chosen People. That the Messiah has yet to come.

They missed it because they think God has to fulfill their understanding.



I don't know if you have noticed this in scripture. God doesn't do things that people expect Him to do. Its always a complete surprise until after it happens.
 
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How are people Reborn into The Kingdom if they don't think it is here yet?

How do you call yourself Reborn if you think JESUS isn't a King until He Returns? He told us to seek The Kingdom.
 
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Grandpa said:
There is no such thing as "delay" with God.

There is no such thing as "second choice" with God.


There are only things you understand and things you don't. When the facts show that you are wrong in your thinking, that doesn't mean that God has yet to fulfill your "understanding". It doesn't mean that there has been delay.

It just means you are wrong. Just like those "experts" of the Law they called Pharisees. They all think the same way you do. That they are Gods Chosen People. That the Messiah has yet to come.

They missed it because they think God has to fulfill their understanding.



I don't know if you have noticed this in scripture. God doesn't do things that people expect Him to do. Its always a complete surprise until after it happens.
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Oh, OK, Grandpa, I must be wrong! Can you explain why God gave only the Law to Israel and why He chose and created this people for His Son to be born through this people? Why did God choose Israel, what was their purpose? Why were the Gentile nations left out of His original plans?
 
Charlie24 said:
Oh, OK, Grandpa, I must be wrong! Can you explain why God gave only the Law to Israel and why He chose and created this people for His Son to be born through this people? Why did God choose Israel, what was their purpose? Why were the Gentile nations left out of His original plans?
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it's comical that you don't think GOD can see the future.

The OT is foreshadowing on a local level to a global level in the NT.

Everything about JESUS is concealed in the OT because the gentiles would be screwed if Jews had an obvious Anointed King.

The Law was there to point out JESUS, He was the only one able to do them all.

We all need a SAVIOR from sin, none of us are good enough without JESUS.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
it's comical that you don't think GOD can see the future.

The OT is foreshadowing on a local level to a global level in the NT.

Everything about JESUS is concealed in the OT because the gentiles would be screwed if Jews had an obvious Anointed King.

The Law was there to point out JESUS, He was the only one able to do them all.

We all need a SAVIOR from sin, none of us are good enough without JESUS.
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I think it's comical, PJ, that you think I don't know God can see into the future!

Isa. 49:6

"And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

What suppose you that the bolded in this verse means?
 
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DavidTree said:
JESUS is the same LORD who spoke to Moses about the New Birth.

The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. Deuteronomy 30:6

Now Pay ATTENTION to this dialogue:

Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”

Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things?
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You are missing the key question--No one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born (anew, again or from above.) Nicodemus did not understand what the resurrection entailed. He wondered if in the resurrection one would be born again of flesh and blood. being of the Sanhedrin and a pharisee who believed in the resurrection. He didn't understand that flesh and blood could not enter the kingdom of god as he supposed.

Nicodemus was already a believer by stating -“Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.” And the foolish say that not good enough! Every believer is sealed with the Spirit but has not entered the kingdom. The kingdom of God is the Millennium reign, and will span 1000 years.

1Cor. 15:46 But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual.

50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Yeshua was teaching the resurrection
 
Charlie24 said:
I think it's comical, PJ, that you think I don't know God can see into the future!

Isa. 49:6

"And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

What suppose you that the bolded in this verse means?
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There was darkness before The Light.

Matthew 4:16-17
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Isaiah 9:2
1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
 
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