Daniel Chapter two

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Marilyn

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2021
1,120
244
63
#61
Thanks… it’s sadly rare that people actually support their claims. Greece was the third kingdom, and never ruled over Britain, Scandinavia, or China. That non-Christians still rule the nations (all of them) does not mean that Jesus’ kingdom has not come, for it came when He was born and has been growing since.
Hi Dino,

Thank you for that kind word. I agree that those great world empires never actually ruled over ALL the earth, however God said that they had that power. Just because they limited themselves does not negate God`s word to them.

Now can you back up your claim, `Jesus` kingdom....`

Good talking to you, Marilyn.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#62
God has judged the Roman Empire, its Government and it is NOT going to reboot or arise or be revived. It is long gone. And who is afraid of the EU? No one.
Actually no God has not

The final form of the Roman Empire has not yet been fulfilled. Rome in Jesus day did not fulfill the requirements of the ten toes or the final Form of the beast in Dan 7

There will be no others gentile kingdom around when Christ returns he will destroy the prince who is to
Come. He will come from time (Dan 9)
 

Marilyn

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2021
1,120
244
63
#63
Actually no God has not

The final form of the Roman Empire has not yet been fulfilled. Rome in Jesus day did not fulfill the requirements of the ten toes or the final Form of the beast in Dan 7

There will be no others gentile kingdom around when Christ returns he will destroy the prince who is to
Come. He will come from time (Dan 9)
Actually history shows that the government of Rome - Caesar & his Senate, have long gone. That is what is meant, God judging those in leadership. Here is an example of Babylon`s rule to the Medes and Persians rule.

`God has numbered your kingdom, (rule), and finished it;...` (Dan. 5: 26) etc.
 

Rondonmon

Senior Member
May 13, 2016
1,304
183
63
#64
Where do you get turkey iraq Syrian from?
The Anti-Christ will indeed be a European. But there is a caveat to that. Take an Italian born in New York, he's still Italian via his Parents/Grandparents' heritage, but he would be "Qualified" to run for the United States Presidency. Arnold Swzzenegger is not eligible to run for the U.S. Presidency.

So, in Isaiah chapter 10 we are shown a Prophecy about the coming Assyrian and the end times. Assyria was a nation made up of what is now Southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, and large parts of modern-day Syria.

The Assyrian Empire dominated the Mediterranean Sea Region after Egypt, as we can see in the first map below, it was a pretty large empire, but the second map shows its heart was Northern Iraq and Turkey.
4efa04bd472dd3956913b295f93eb94c (1).gif

Assyria Empire Map.gif

So, this coming Litte Horn/Anti-Christ must have an Assyrian bloodline in order to fulfill Isaiah chapter 10. Then in order to fulfill Dan. 8:9, he has to come from the Northwest corridor of the Four Generals kingdoms because he conquers TOWARDS the East & South. Thus he has to be of the lineage of a Greek, like all the other kings seen in Dan. 11. Greece is on the E.U. and thus anyone born in the E.U. (even one of Turkish heritage) is eligible to become the E.U. President. Thus he's an Assyrian (Turkish/Assyrian blood), born in Greece, who then arises to power in the European Union (Fourth Beast Revived under the Anti-Christ) in what I call a 5th Beast, The Anti-Christ Man is the Beast this time. (666 represent MAN).


He is from rome, or the Roman Empire (legs of iron) the ten nation conglomerate is ten nation states who are part of rome. That give their resources and power to the antichrist. If europe today put all their resources together. They would have more resources, more power and more numbers than the united stated, they would instantly become a world power. You would basically have europe. Russia and CHina as the three supper powers (the United States is not mentioned. And has most likely crumbled as a super power. If we keep going like we are. It will nto take long for that to happen.)
God uses numbers, 12 = fullness and 10 = completeness as does 7, when god TIMES anything by 7 or 10 He is OVER EMPHASIZING Completeness, as in the 7 Spirits and 7 Eyes in Revelation simply means God SEES ALL and is Omnipotent or everywhere, it never meant tee were 7 Spirits. The 10 Commandments represent ALL God's Laws. The 10 days of Tribulation that the church of Smyrna would be facing is Jesus telling them they will have continual tribulation on this earth fr the complete Church Age. The 7 Churches equal the complete Church Age. The 10 Brides equals ALL Christendom, the 144,000 is this number, 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10, or God SHOUTING, this is ALL Israel who repents, as in Fulness x Fulness x Completeness x Completeness x Completenss.(144,000 = 3-5 million Jews who repent as Zechariah 13:8-9 says)

Thus the 10 kings do not mean 10, they mean ALL Europe, be that 25 nations or 30 nations. We agree, it is indeed Europe, but this leader will be of Assran Blood and bprn in Greece. Russia, Turkey, and Iran's armies get wiped out by God in the Gog & Magog War. China will have to deal with the economic collapse and the Asteroid that hits in the Pacific will more than likely cause really bad tsunamis in China. The USA will crumble, especially after the Pre Trib Rapture, but the Asteroid is what wipes out 1/3 of the world as seen in Rev. 8, and thus that will be what is left of the USA and that whole region, going up in smoke/being judged by God.

Look up the European Neighborhood Policy on Wikipedia, Europe has 7 Year Deals in place now with Israel, and all of the Mediterranean Sea Region nations (THE MANY). We can see the battle/CONQUERING by the Anti-Christ taking place in Dan. 11:40-43.

So, in essence, we agree, but all three prophesies have to all happen to ONE MAN. He has to have Assyrian blood, be born in Greece, and come to power out of the old Fourth Beasts Head. So, he's a Turk, born in Greece who rises to power out of the E.U.
 

Rondonmon

Senior Member
May 13, 2016
1,304
183
63
#65
God has judged the Roman Empire, its Government and it is NOT going to reboot or arise or be revived. It is long gone. And who is afraid of the EU? No one.
It is a 5th Beast in that it is a MAN, but it arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head (See Dan. 7:7-8 it says so)
 

Rondonmon

Senior Member
May 13, 2016
1,304
183
63
#66
Actually no God has not

The final form of the Roman Empire has not yet been fulfilled. Rome in Jesus day did not fulfill the requirements of the ten toes or the final Form of the beast in Dan 7

There will be no other gentile kingdom around when Christ returns he will destroy the prince who is to
Come. He will come from time (Dan 9)
This is correct, but like the Honey in the Lion riddle, God always has LAYERS......

This Little Horn indeed arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head.......BUT he is a 5th Beast and (THINK ABOUT IT) is called a Beast HIMSELF !! The 666 in Rev. 13, IMHO, is not a CODED NAME, that would be useless to endtime peoples because he will be in power before he is revealed, but it's a HUGE CLUE via us knowing it simply stands for a MAN as in 6 is man's number, thus 666 means that last Beast is simply a man, unlike all of the other Beasts he will never pass his kingdom on to another, thus this ONE MAN is the only end-time Beast.

So, it is indeed 5 Beasts, really 7 looking back in time (Egypt and Assyria are added in) but Daniel even shows 5 Beasts if we know how to look for it in Daniel 7:23-25 we can see it.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#67
Actually history shows that the government of Rome - Caesar & his Senate, have long gone. That is what is meant, God judging those in leadership. Here is an example of Babylon`s rule to the Medes and Persians rule.

`God has numbered your kingdom, (rule), and finished it;...` (Dan. 5: 26) etc.
Yes it is long gone

But the final form of the empire has not done what was said

It did not come from ten nations
It did Not commit an abomination of desolation
It did Not rule ever nation tribe and language
It did not control the worlds finances
It was not destroyed by the return of Christ
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#68
The Anti-Christ will indeed be a European. But there is a caveat to that. Take an Italian born in New York, he's still Italian via his Parents/Grandparents' heritage, but he would be "Qualified" to run for the United States Presidency. Arnold Swzzenegger is not eligible to run for the U.S. Presidency.

So, in Isaiah chapter 10 we are shown a Prophecy about the coming Assyrian and the end times. Assyria was a nation made up of what is now Southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, and large parts of modern-day Syria.

The Assyrian Empire dominated the Mediterranean Sea Region after Egypt, as we can see in the first map below, it was a pretty large empire, but the second map shows its heart was Northern Iraq and Turkey.
View attachment 233294

View attachment 233289

So, this coming Litte Horn/Anti-Christ must have an Assyrian bloodline in order to fulfill Isaiah chapter 10. Then in order to fulfill Dan. 8:9, he has to come from the Northwest corridor of the Four Generals kingdoms because he conquers TOWARDS the East & South. Thus he has to be of the lineage of a Greek, like all the other kings seen in Dan. 11. Greece is on the E.U. and thus anyone born in the E.U. (even one of Turkish heritage) is eligible to become the E.U. President. Thus he's an Assyrian (Turkish/Assyrian blood), born in Greece, who then arises to power in the European Union (Fourth Beast Revived under the Anti-Christ) in what I call a 5th Beast, The Anti-Christ Man is the Beast this time. (666 represent MAN).




God uses numbers, 12 = fullness and 10 = completeness as does 7, when god TIMES anything by 7 or 10 He is OVER EMPHASIZING Completeness, as in the 7 Spirits and 7 Eyes in Revelation simply means God SEES ALL and is Omnipotent or everywhere, it never meant tee were 7 Spirits. The 10 Commandments represent ALL God's Laws. The 10 days of Tribulation that the church of Smyrna would be facing is Jesus telling them they will have continual tribulation on this earth fr the complete Church Age. The 7 Churches equal the complete Church Age. The 10 Brides equals ALL Christendom, the 144,000 is this number, 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10, or God SHOUTING, this is ALL Israel who repents, as in Fulness x Fulness x Completeness x Completeness x Completenss.(144,000 = 3-5 million Jews who repent as Zechariah 13:8-9 says)

Thus the 10 kings do not mean 10, they mean ALL Europe, be that 25 nations or 30 nations. We agree, it is indeed Europe, but this leader will be of Assran Blood and bprn in Greece. Russia, Turkey, and Iran's armies get wiped out by God in the Gog & Magog War. China will have to deal with the economic collapse and the Asteroid that hits in the Pacific will more than likely cause really bad tsunamis in China. The USA will crumble, especially after the Pre Trib Rapture, but the Asteroid is what wipes out 1/3 of the world as seen in Rev. 8, and thus that will be what is left of the USA and that whole region, going up in smoke/being judged by God.

Look up the European Neighborhood Policy on Wikipedia, Europe has 7 Year Deals in place now with Israel, and all of the Mediterranean Sea Region nations (THE MANY). We can see the battle/CONQUERING by the Anti-Christ taking place in Dan. 11:40-43.

So, in essence, we agree, but all three prophesies have to all happen to ONE MAN. He has to have Assyrian blood, be born in Greece, and come to power out of the old Fourth Beasts Head. So, he's a Turk, born in Greece who rises to power out of the E.U.
Assyria destroyed the northern kingdom it was the second of 7 kingdoms (Egypt being the first. Babylon following her). This is what Isaiah ten is about the northern kingdoms sins. God spared Judah from the wrath of Assyrian army up Until Babylon came and destroyed Judah
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#69
This is correct, but like the Honey in the Lion riddle, God always has LAYERS......

This Little Horn indeed arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head.......BUT he is a 5th Beast and (THINK ABOUT IT) is called a Beast HIMSELF !! The 666 in Rev. 13, IMHO, is not a CODED NAME, that would be useless to endtime peoples because he will be in power before he is revealed, but it's a HUGE CLUE via us knowing it simply stands for a MAN as in 6 is man's number, thus 666 means that last Beast is simply a man, unlike all of the other Beasts he will never pass his kingdom on to another, thus this ONE MAN is the only end-time Beast.

So, it is indeed 5 Beasts, really 7 looking back in time (Egypt and Assyria are added in) but Daniel even shows 5 Beasts if we know how to look for it in Daniel 7:23-25 we can see it.
I look at revelation

We have seven kingdoms

5 were

Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Media Persia
Greece

One is

Rome. Iron kingdom

1 is yet to Come

The future Kingdom, who will
Come out if the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD
 

Marilyn

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2021
1,120
244
63
#70
It is a 5th Beast in that it is a MAN, but it arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head (See Dan. 7:7-8 it says so)
God is not about repeating Himself from Dan.2 to Dan. 7. The beast in Dan. 7 is a fourth kingdom, (Dan. 7: 23) with a leader, (Dan. 7: 7) the `little horn/power.`
 

Marilyn

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2021
1,120
244
63
#71
Yes it is long gone

But the final form of the empire has not done what was said

It did not come from ten nations
It did Not commit an abomination of desolation
It did Not rule ever nation tribe and language
It did not control the worlds finances
It was not destroyed by the return of Christ
Good, we agree there. As to the final form of the last Gentile Global Government, it is already arising and certainly does not come from the EU.

Good description of things to come.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,369
13,730
113
#72
Now can you back up your claim, `Jesus` kingdom....`
In Daniel 2:44 it says, "And in the days of those kings [the fourth kingdom] the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people."

The verses below show that the kingdom of God came with Jesus.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
 

Rondonmon

Senior Member
May 13, 2016
1,304
183
63
#73
Assyria destroyed the northern kingdom it was the second of 7 kingdoms (Egypt being the first. Babylon following her). This is what Isaiah ten is about the northern kingdoms sins. God spared Judah from the wrath of Assyrian army up Until Babylon came and destroyed Judah
I can show you its not, this is my forte/calling of over 35 years brother, in the last 5-6 years its like a video is playing and I see everything so clearly.

Let's start out by looking at Isaiah 11 for a moment, it is about the rod that arises out of the stem of Jesse and rules as an Iron Rod (Jesus in hid 1000 year reign) and we get this in verse 6. So we know Isaiah 10 leads into the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ. Remember, there were no chapter breaks. Men added them.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

So, with that in mind let's delve into Isaiah chapter 10:20, where we see Israel return unto God, they have yet to repent, that is why God put off the 70th week for nigh 2000 years remember? But in verse 20 they REPENT !! Thus a remnant returns unto God finally (Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 repent) ib verses 21 and 22, and God shall turn from His consuming of Israel, the judgments are still at hand because Israel is still in the 70th week, but God turns from his anger towards Israel. He will then protect them from this "Assyrian Madman".

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.

22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. 23 For the Lord God of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.

THE ASSYRIAN

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt. 25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

26 And the Lord of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt. 27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.

As I stated, Isaiah 11 is about the 1000 year reign of Jesus (the root of Jesse). In these passages above we see a Remnant that returns unto God, we see God protecting the Jews/Israel in the same manner as He protected them against Egypt, (Rev. 12 also cites this reference) and we see that the burden is broken by the Anointing AND Gods INDIGNATION shall be quenched. Daniel 8:19 calls God's 490 year Judgment against Israel "The Indignation".

Daniel 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

All you have to do is google The Assyrian, all bible scholars know this is the Anti-Christ. Hes spoken of in Micah 5 also, but that makes it very clear that it's an End Time Beast. Michah 5 is the verse about Bethlehem being the birthplace of the Messiah (which is 700 years after the Assyrians were a power. And its states THAT MAN (The Messiah born in Bethlehem) shall be the peace when The Assyrian comes into our land. So, this has to happen after Jesus' birth and death.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. 5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

The Anti-Christ is the Assyrian brother, he has over 30 names and The Assyrian is one of them.

A lot of prophecies, like unto Antiochus Epiphanies have a double meaning and are SHADOWS of things to come.
 

Rondonmon

Senior Member
May 13, 2016
1,304
183
63
#74
1 is yet to Come

The future Kingdom, who will
Come out if the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD
TRUE, but Daniel tells us who the Last Beast is..........WATCH:

Dan. 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them(the 10/All Europe) another little horn(A.C.), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake(A.C.): I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The LAST BEAST is a MAN, not a Nation. As per the rest of the Beasts (Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome), they had their dominion taken away, but their lives [as nations] were prolonged for a season and times. (Alexander the Great lived in Babylon when he died, so Babylon lived on for a while, whilst Greece is still a nation, Persia is Iran and Rome is Italy. So, all lived on fir a season an a time, then te 5th Bes arises, A MAN, who arises amongst of the 10 (European Union) which came out of the Fourth Beasts Head, it's not the Fourth Beast, the LAST BEAST is clearly ONE MAN (thus 666). Dan. 7:11 says THE BEAST has a BODY that gets DESTROYED.

Now reread Dan. 7:23-25 and you will see Gabriel reveals the dream unto Daniel and clearly shows the LAST BEAST will not be like as unto the FIRST BEAST and he's talking about the End Time Beast being different from Rome (its a MAN, not a Nation).

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth(this WHOLE EARTH does not mean the whole world, I can prove it via scriptures), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings(COMPLETE Divided Europe which reunites) that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he (BOOM, see it?) shall be diverse from the first(Rome), and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

We know THE FIRST that he is DIVERSE from is not Babylon, but Rome, because we were already told in Dan. 7:3 that ALL the Beasts were diverse from each other, so what Gabriel is revealing here is that the Anti-Christ is DIFFERENT from the First (meaning Rome). If Gabriel was speaking about being different then he would have just stated all of the Beasts were diverse, not this man from THE FIRST (Babylon). But THE FIRST which he is diverse from is Rome. Y see Rome was a powerful Kingdom that lived for many years as a Beast Kingdom with many rulers, whereas this last Beast is ONE MAN (thus 666) who lives a very SHORT time frame (3.5) years and never passes his kingdom on to another, thus he himself is the end-time Beast spoken of in Dan. 7:11 and in Revelation 13, and Rev. 19:20.
 

Rondonmon

Senior Member
May 13, 2016
1,304
183
63
#75
God is not about repeating Himself from Dan.2 to Dan. 7. The beast in Dan. 7 is a fourth kingdom, (Dan. 7: 23) with a leader, (Dan. 7: 7) the `little horn/power.`
I explain all this in the above post, no use rehasing.
 

Marilyn

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2021
1,120
244
63
#76
In Daniel 2:44 it says, "And in the days of those kings [the fourth kingdom] the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people."

The verses below show that the kingdom of God came with Jesus.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Hi Dino,

Thank you for those good scriptures. Now we see that Jesus was talking to the people of Israel and reminding them of God`s promise to them. (Rom. 15: 8) He was `confirming the promises` to them.

Now here is your statement.

That non-Christians still rule the nations (all of them) does not mean that Jesus’ kingdom has not come, for it came when He was born and has been growing since.

The kingdom rulership of Christ was revealed to the people of Israel. However we know they, as a nation rejected His rulership.

So would you like to add anything more?
 

Marilyn

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2021
1,120
244
63
#77
I explain all this in the above post, no use rehasing.
Yes we see those chapters differently. However we do agree that the `feet and toes` and the 10 horns are the same kingdom. (I think)
 
Oct 29, 2021
217
23
18
#78
Nebuchadnezzar has a dream and he wants the priests and the magicians and all those who have such a capacity to tell about his dream and the interpretation. Otherwide all of them will die. It is as simple as that ! They can’t trick the king ! So they answer the king saying that no one has such a capacity. So the king becomes angry and orders all the wise men of his kingdom to be killed. It means that Daniel and his companions are going to be killed. Learning that, daniel asks the king for time so he can interpret the king’s dream. Then he asks his three companions to pray God to get the dream and the interpretation. Finally Daniel goes to the king and tells him that God told him the dream and its interpretation. So Daniel becomes an important man in Babylon.
So everything seems to be ok for Daniel and his companions and they escape death !
To be perfectly honest, I have a theory that Nebuchadnezzar lied about that. The Bible actually quotes the king on what he said about the dream, did you catch that fact? It isn't the scribe or the "omniscient narrator" as they say in literature saying that about the dream event, it's him. He might have remembered the dream and just been testing the Chaldean's skills. There's no actual evidence of that, but if you do read the passage carefully, you will notice that the statement about having a dream and not knowing it or it's interpretation is a statement by the Babylonian himself. In other words, it isn't exactly divinely inspired prophecy, even though it's recorded by a prophet.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#79
I can show you its not, this is my forte/calling of over 35 years brother, in the last 5-6 years its like a video is playing and I see everything so clearly.

Let's start out by looking at Isaiah 11 for a moment, it is about the rod that arises out of the stem of Jesse and rules as an Iron Rod (Jesus in hid 1000 year reign) and we get this in verse 6. So we know Isaiah 10 leads into the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ. Remember, there were no chapter breaks. Men added them.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

So, with that in mind let's delve into Isaiah chapter 10:20, where we see Israel return unto God, they have yet to repent, that is why God put off the 70th week for nigh 2000 years remember? But in verse 20 they REPENT !! Thus a remnant returns unto God finally (Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 repent) ib verses 21 and 22, and God shall turn from His consuming of Israel, the judgments are still at hand because Israel is still in the 70th week, but God turns from his anger towards Israel. He will then protect them from this "Assyrian Madman".

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.

22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. 23 For the Lord God of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.

THE ASSYRIAN

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt. 25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

26 And the Lord of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt. 27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.

As I stated, Isaiah 11 is about the 1000 year reign of Jesus (the root of Jesse). In these passages above we see a Remnant that returns unto God, we see God protecting the Jews/Israel in the same manner as He protected them against Egypt, (Rev. 12 also cites this reference) and we see that the burden is broken by the Anointing AND Gods INDIGNATION shall be quenched. Daniel 8:19 calls God's 490 year Judgment against Israel "The Indignation".

Daniel 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

All you have to do is google The Assyrian, all bible scholars know this is the Anti-Christ. Hes spoken of in Micah 5 also, but that makes it very clear that it's an End Time Beast. Michah 5 is the verse about Bethlehem being the birthplace of the Messiah (which is 700 years after the Assyrians were a power. And its states THAT MAN (The Messiah born in Bethlehem) shall be the peace when The Assyrian comes into our land. So, this has to happen after Jesus' birth and death.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. 5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

The Anti-Christ is the Assyrian brother, he has over 30 names and The Assyrian is one of them.

A lot of prophecies, like unto Antiochus Epiphanies have a double meaning and are SHADOWS of things to come.
Asseria destroyed the northern kingdom. The northern kingdom will be destroyed.

Rome destroyed the southern kingdom, The southern kingdom will be restored.

The people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary (dan 9) The prince who is to come will confirm a covenant for one week. But int he middle of that week he will place and abomination of desolation. And the people in Israel wills ee it standing in the Holy Place

Revelation says God protects the woman (Israel) from the beast. So the beast goes after her children (gentile believers)

I looked up three reputable commentaries. All three agree that Assyria is the kingdom that destroyed the northern kingdom. No kingdom will destroy Israel in the tribulation.And they ill be in peace in the 1000 year reign.

Assyria is long since dead. Rome will rise again (although it may not be called rome)
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#80
TRUE, but Daniel tells us who the Last Beast is..........WATCH:

Dan. 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them(the 10/All Europe) another little horn(A.C.), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake(A.C.): I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The LAST BEAST is a MAN, not a Nation. As per the rest of the Beasts (Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome), they had their dominion taken away, but their lives [as nations] were prolonged for a season and times. (Alexander the Great lived in Babylon when he died, so Babylon lived on for a while, whilst Greece is still a nation, Persia is Iran and Rome is Italy. So, all lived on fir a season an a time, then te 5th Bes arises, A MAN, who arises amongst of the 10 (European Union) which came out of the Fourth Beasts Head, it's not the Fourth Beast, the LAST BEAST is clearly ONE MAN (thus 666). Dan. 7:11 says THE BEAST has a BODY that gets DESTROYED.

Now reread Dan. 7:23-25 and you will see Gabriel reveals the dream unto Daniel and clearly shows the LAST BEAST will not be like as unto the FIRST BEAST and he's talking about the End Time Beast being different from Rome (its a MAN, not a Nation).

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth(this WHOLE EARTH does not mean the whole world, I can prove it via scriptures), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings(COMPLETE Divided Europe which reunites) that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he (BOOM, see it?) shall be diverse from the first(Rome), and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

We know THE FIRST that he is DIVERSE from is not Babylon, but Rome, because we were already told in Dan. 7:3 that ALL the Beasts were diverse from each other, so what Gabriel is revealing here is that the Anti-Christ is DIFFERENT from the First (meaning Rome). If Gabriel was speaking about being different then he would have just stated all of the Beasts were diverse, not this man from THE FIRST (Babylon). But THE FIRST which he is diverse from is Rome. Y see Rome was a powerful Kingdom that lived for many years as a Beast Kingdom with many rulers, whereas this last Beast is ONE MAN (thus 666) who lives a very SHORT time frame (3.5) years and never passes his kingdom on to another, thus he himself is the end-time Beast spoken of in Dan. 7:11 and in Revelation 13, and Rev. 19:20.
David in chapter two was told the kingdom of Gold was a man (nebachadnezzar)

All nations were ruled by Men, They are the beast. They are the one God gives power to..

And again Chapter. Rome is the final beast. The prince of the people who destroy the city.

Dan 9 shows us who the beast is. His people destroyed jerusalem in 70 AD