Once Saved Always Saved is True.

[Nehemiah6]

Between the "before and after" wasn't there something of notice that took place?

Yes. And that's the key to eternal security. Saul met Christ.

 

[Laura798]

I am not the one stuck on a calvinistic viewpoint. And not listening to what others are saying my friend


predestination is in the word of God multipl times. So it is not a calvinistic view. He has one view of what it means, others have a different view. To deny predestination is to deny the word



Yes you are. Because you keep trying to instill calvinist thinking in my remarks when they are not there

Why is it when people are told they are not listening they continue to think they are right and deny they are doing anything wrong?


Yep

Calvinism DOES NOT TEACH THIS.

But since your stuck on trying to attack them. You can’t understant this

Once again, Whom he foreknew he did predestinate.

Thats the word of God no matter what you or Calvin thinks.its the word of God.

Hmm. Your verse is truncated. Predestinated to what?

I believe Romans 8:29 makes that clear:

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters."

 

[Aerials1978]

Yes, He is faithful! Don't get me wrong, I believe in eternal security, as long as we believe.

As far as predestination goes, I believe in that also. But not that the individual is predestined, the plan of God from the foundation of the world was predestined for man, it is a choice.

The manner in which man is saved was predestined before the foundation of the world, predestined to that plan!

I have to respectively disagree. Individuals are predestinated. One is not saved and loses that because they lost faith. If they loses faith, they were never saved to begin with.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 10:28


This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.”
John 6:39

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm. Your verse is truncated. Predestinated to what?

I believe Romans 8:29 makes that clear:

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters."

Good god. This just proves my point

I was predestined to be conformed to the image of God before time began. Neither calvin or arminian or Augustine (romaism) can take away from that truth

I said this along time ago. You were to busy calling me ET and not listening to a word I said to see it..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to respectively disagree. Individuals are predestinated. One is not saved and loses that because they lost faith. If they loses faith, they were never saved to begin with.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 10:28


This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.”
John 6:39

John understood this when he said they were never of us, for if they were of us they never woud have left.

who left? Those who deny Christ

who is it that denies Christ? A person who does not have faith.

 

[Laura798]

Good god. This just proves my point


I said this along time ago. You were to busy calling me ET and not listening to a word I said to see it..

What? Are you serious? They were joking about me typing ET, instead of EG, so I sent an apology with a pic--obviously a typo...Good lord....

 

[Laura798]

Good god. This just proves my point


I said this along time ago. You were to busy calling me ET and not listening to a word I said to see it..

You've changed and added to your words what you said the first time--explaining after the fact, while making it sound as if THAT is what you were saying initially--while I was responding to what you said at first, not what you added afterwards....

 

[Evmur]

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

This is talking about people that escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

They had the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ that He is Savior and a person can only escape the pollutions of the world by Jesus Christ.

They got tangled back in the world and became worse than at the beginning before they were saved.

They escaped the world which no one can do unless they were saved by Jesus.

But it would of been better for them if they had not known the way of righteousness then after knowing it to turn from the holy commandment given to them.

They knew the way of righteousness and the holy commandment but turned from that.

They escaped the world by the knowledge of Jesus Christ the Savior.

They knew the way of righteousness.

They had the holy commandment delivered to them.

This obviously can only apply to a person that has been saved.

But they turned form those things by going back to the pollutions of the world and got entangled in it and were worse which is like a sow that was clean wen back to wallowing in mud and becoming dirty.

This obviously without a doubt is talking about a person saved and then losing salvation because when they turned from the truth it would of had better if they had known the truth than to turn from.

That does not sound good that it would of had been better for them to not have known the truth than to turn from it and we know people that do not know the truth shall still be punished for not turning to the truth.

It is obvious they lost salvation and since it is a warning to the saints then it could happen if people play with fire and go back to their old lifestyle.

Which remember Lot's wife how she turned back and turned in to a pillar of salt.

And Jesus said any person putting their hand to the plow and looks back is unfit for the kingdom of God.

Which means that anyone that starts living for the kingdom of God and looks back to a life of sin which is going back to the world is unfit for the kingdom of God.

More warnings so a person can lose salvation for why would there be warnings if it were not possible.

It is obvious without a doubt that it is talking about people that were saved being tangled again in the world and losing salvation because they became like the world again which is unclean.

People will defend their beliefs tooth and nail and do not want to hear scriptures the way that it reads.

They are says Peter like dogs [not like saints] who turn back to their vomit and like pigs [not like disciples] who turn again to wallow in the muck.

Peter had in mind people like Judas who was never saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What? Are you serious? They were joking about me typing ET, instead of EG, so I sent an apology with a pic--obviously a typo...Good lord....

yeah I am serious

That is the exact post I responded to you where I said I was predestined to be conformed to the image of his son.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You've changed and added to your words what you said the first time--explaining after the fact, while making it sound as if THAT is what you were saying initially--while I was responding to what you said at first, not what you added afterwards....

Nope

thats what I said the first time

here is the whole post for you and everyone to see

pst # 142

1. Who is ET?
2. Who said EG said that we are not to Obey out of Love for God obeying the two commands which encompass all the law and prophets?

True believers will have works. You don;t claim you have faith in someone and NEVER do anything they say

I actually never heard the term OSAS until I arrived in a christian chat room. We always called it eternal security, Eternal life. The seal of the spirit. The promise of God. The gift from above.

As cor Calvinist. They teach perseverance of the saints not OSAS. I grew up in a semi calvinist church. Predestination is true. Just not the way they claim it to be.

I was predestined to be conformed to the image of God before time began. Neither calvin or arminian or Augustine (romanism) can take away from that truth

 

[Laura798]

yeah I am serious

That is the exact post I responded to you where I said I was predestined to be conformed to the image of his son.

 

[Laura798]

Nope

thats what I said the first time

here is the whole post for you and everyone to see

pst # 142

That is not the post I responded to.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is not the post I responded to.

Nope. It was my response to your post.

You can;t even get this right.

Why can’t you just admit you had no idea what I was saying. And I showed that I understood what i was predestined to.

Is it that hard?

 

[Mem]

What? Are you serious? They were joking about me typing ET, instead of EG, so I sent an apology with a pic--obviously a typo...Good lord....

yeah I am serious

That is the exact post I responded to you where I said I was predestined to be conformed to the image of his son.

Incidentally, ET (written as alef-tav, the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek alpha-omega) can be found "In the beginning (et) God..." although it, characteristically, is not expressly articulated.

 

[Laura798]

Nope. It was my response to your post.

You can;t even get this right.

Why can’t you just admit you had no idea what I was saying. And I showed that I understood what i was predestined to.

Is it that hard?

You're becoming rude and unchristian. I won't dialogue with you further. I guarantee if we were in a group of people you would be ashamed to speak face to face they way are you speaking to me now.

 

[tourist]

Incidentally, ET (written as alef-tav, the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek alpha-omega) can be found "In the beginning (et) God..." although it, characteristically, is not expressly articulated.

I enjoyed the movie and so did my daughter. Of course, she was only 3 years old.

 

[Charlie24]

I have to respectively disagree. Individuals are predestinated. One is not saved and loses that because they lost faith. If they loses faith, they were never saved to begin with.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 10:28


This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.”
John 6:39

So let's add the next verse.

John 6:40

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Who is it that that he will not lose? Everyone which seeth the Son and believeth on Him!

Don't tell me there are none who turn their backs on Christ and forfeit their salvation!

 

[montana123]

They are says Peter like dogs [not like saints] who turn back to their vomit and like pigs [not like disciples] who turn again to wallow in the muck.

Peter had in mind people like Judas who was never saved.

It could be but I am still learning.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're becoming rude and unchristian. I won't dialogue with you further. I guarantee if we were in a group of people you would be ashamed to speak face to face they way are you speaking to me now.

You are just like the rest. You can’t own up when you I make a mistake. And when your cornered you blame shift.

There was never any discussion. You kept trying to attribute calvinistic thinking to my posts. When there was no calvinistic thinking,

When you exposed yourself further by mocking me saying the predestination was being conformed to Gods image, and I showed you where I long ago posted that very same thing.

You run and hide, because like many you can not own up to a mistake. You blame everyone else. But you are unable to see your own sin.

You do not need to dialogue any further with me, I proved my point

When your ready to discuss what predestination really is. Let me know.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So let's add the next verse.

John 6:40

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Who is it that that he will not lose? Everyone which seeth the Son and believeth on Him!

Don't tell me there are none who turn their backs on Christ and forfeit their salvation!

So when jesus said they will NEVER DIE, he lied?

Why do you want to insist your own works into salvation?