What did Jesus say about HIMSELF?

[Webers.Home]

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Re: What Did Jesus Say About Himself?

• John 15:1 . . I am the true vine

A religion that incorporates father confessors resembles the true vine; but a
setup like that, though structured like the true vine is, nevertheless, an
impersonation of the real McCoy.

Still speaking to the branches of the true vine; Jesus says:

• John 15:3 . . Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken
unto you.

The Greek word translated "clean" doesn't indicate sinless perfection.
Katharos (kath-ar-os') speaks of hygiene, i.e. bathed, washed, purified,
purged, and/or sanitized; which is accomplished by means of the genuine
father confessor.

• 1 John 1:9 . . If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Sill speaking to the branches of the true vine; Jesus says:

• John 15:4a . . Abide in me, and I in you.

The abiding about which Jesus spoke is all the same as fellowship, which is
intimately associated with the hygiene instructed by 1 John 1:9

• 1 John 1:3-7 . .That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that you also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with
the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto
you, that your joy may be full.

. . .This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto
you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we
have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with
another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His son cleanses us from all sin.

Sill speaking to the branches of the true vine; Jesus says:

• John 15:4b-6 . . As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in
the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. If a man abide not in
me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and
cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

In a nutshell; when a branch fails to keep itself cleaned up, then it dries up;
i.e. it becomes yard debris which in that day ranchers disposed by means of
a bonfire. Needless to say; a yard-debris Christian has pretty much
permanently lost their fellowship with God while down here on the earth.

NOTE: "Fellowship" is translated from the Greek word koinonia (koy-nohn
ee'-ah) which isn't redemption. It's more like association and/or partnership
in a common endeavor. And seeing as how it's futile to prune dead wood,
then I think it's safe to assume that yard-debris Christians have lost that
benefit too.
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[Laura798]

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Re: What Did Jesus Say About Himself?

• John 15:1 . . I am the true vine

A religion that incorporates father confessors resembles the true vine; but a
setup like that, though structured like the true vine is, nevertheless, an
impersonation of the real McCoy.

Still speaking to the branches of the true vine; Jesus says:

• John 15:3 . . Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken
unto you.

The Greek word translated "clean" doesn't indicate sinless perfection.
Katharos (kath-ar-os') speaks of hygiene, i.e. bathed, washed, purified,
purged, and/or sanitized; which is accomplished by means of the genuine
father confessor.

• 1 John 1:9 . . If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Sill speaking to the branches of the true vine; Jesus says:

• John 15:4a . . Abide in me, and I in you.

The abiding about which Jesus spoke is all the same as fellowship, which is
intimately associated with the hygiene instructed by 1 John 1:9

• 1 John 1:3-7 . .That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that you also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with
the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto
you, that your joy may be full.

. . .This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto
you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we
have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with
another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His son cleanses us from all sin.

Sill speaking to the branches of the true vine; Jesus says:

• John 15:4b-6 . . As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in
the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. If a man abide not in
me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and
cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

In a nutshell; when a branch fails to keep itself cleaned up, then it dries up;
i.e. it becomes yard debris which in that day ranchers disposed by means of
a bonfire. Needless to say; a yard-debris Christian has pretty much
permanently lost their fellowship with God while down here on the earth.

NOTE: "Fellowship" is translated from the Greek word koinonia (koy-nohn
ee'-ah) which isn't redemption. It's more like association and/or partnership
in a common endeavor. And seeing as how it's futile to prune dead wood,
then I think it's safe to assume that yard-debris Christians have lost that
benefit too.
_

Webers, I've never heard that idea before--that being cast into the fire and burned--that is to say DESTROYED, represents loss of fellowship since in all other instances being cast into the fire signifies destruction. Not abiding in Christ is clearly losing one's salvation. I am not in the 'once saved always saved camp'--if a person does not abide in Christ--even if they once did, like Judas, because our lord selected him as one of the 12--did he know what Judas would eventually do? Yes because He is God, but people don't understand that what is happening is happening in REAL TIME. Even Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane--"If it be possible remove this cup from Me" He prayed because He knew NOTHING was impossible for God. There are to many verses that say IF regarding the importance of abiding and Hebrews could not be more clear that a person can lose their Salvation; this is not about keeping the Commandments, but a willful turning away. Even Paul said "I buffet my body lest I MYSELF BE DISQUALIFIED.

“For if we are willfully sinning after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice concerning sins.” Hebrews 10:26-29

 

[SophieT]

Actually, Sophie, I've discovered it's not about changing anyone's mind, but discovering more truth in defense of that truth.

For example the verse I shared in Isaiah--I've heard it countless times (usually Christmas) yet really didn't take in the wonder of what it was saying; that Jesus is also called Mighty God and Everlasting Father--this a powerful pwas reroof text that He and the Father are ONE because it says it in such a definitive way. Also I discovered that the name Elohim is plural! I found the names God calls Himself and all His other names. This has made me want to study His names and brought on a joy which was something I so needed and it encouraged my faith.

I'm learning how to defend the faith and I am learning more about who God is in this kind of exchange. It also strengthens my faith and better equips me to share my faith with others.

ok...well it appears you do not know what was actually going on in this thread or why I said what I did

I don't know what you shared or why you liked my post because it is clear from the above you think one thing when something
else was actually going on

I'm fine with that

cheerio

 

[Laura798]

ok...well it appears you do not know what was actually going on in this thread or why I said what I did

I don't know what you shared or why you liked my post because it is clear from the above you think one thing when something
else was actually going on

I'm fine with that

cheerio

wow. you sound upset in some way. i'm sorry if i misunderstood something. i didn't see that you had posted anything in reference to the topic. i'll go back and see what it is i missed. it's too bad that you couldn't see all the good in what i wrote. perhaps someone else will find all the positives in what i shared.

 

[Laura798]

ok...well it appears you do not know what was actually going on in this thread or why I said what I did

I don't know what you shared or why you liked my post because it is clear from the above you think one thing when something
else was actually going on

I'm fine with that

cheerio

Hmm? I went back to check the thread and don't see you actually participating in the forum's topic, with exception of the cryptic comments below that weren't addressed to anyone in particular, other than the original poster regarding his avatar. I might've agreed with the bit of 'not getting answers'; my thinking regarding that is no one changes their mind on these forums. I was responding to your comments that were not addressed to anyone in particular--it was hurtful to see your unkind comment back to me regarding my joy of discovering more about God and His Word, despite no one changing their minds.

These were the comments you made, which I find rather odd, again since you didn't respond anywhere to the topic itself:
What Did Jesus Say About Himself?


Sophie's comments:

1. no one is going to get the answers right here, but you are inspired have your fun while it lasts ta ta <cryptic
2. we can say the same about your avatars LOL!
3. and that's a wrap! < odd to say since you didn't participate in the forum

 

[Yahshua]

Hmm? I went back to check the thread and don't see you actually participating in the forum's topic, with exception of the cryptic comments below that weren't addressed to anyone in particular, other than the original poster regarding his avatar. I might've agreed with the bit of 'not getting answers'; my thinking regarding that is no one changes their mind on these forums. I was responding to your comments that were not addressed to anyone in particular--it was hurtful to see your unkind comment back to me regarding my joy of discovering more about God and His Word, despite no one changing their minds.

These were the comments you made, which I find rather odd, again since you didn't respond anywhere to the topic itself:
What Did Jesus Say About Himself?


Sophie's comments:

1. no one is going to get the answers right here, but you are inspired have your fun while it lasts ta ta <cryptic
2. we can say the same about your avatars LOL!
3. and that's a wrap! < odd to say since you didn't participate in the forum

Her comments most likely had to do with the member's eventual removal. You could feel the guillotine falling closer and closer with each of their posts.

 

[Laura798]

Her comments most likely had to do with the member's eventual removal. You could feel the guillotine falling closer and closer with each of their posts.

Thanks Yahshua, for clarifying--it would have been helpful if she wouldv'e.

Her response was a general cryptic response to all-not to the original poster. Obviously, I had missed that--rather than explaining and acknowledging what I shared--which I was happy about, because honestly when I initially joined I found the personal attacks, the personal opinions rather than rational arguments supported with scripture, off putting. I had requested my account to be deleted. However, I see that even if no one changes their mind, I am learning more simply by putting together a response. And also have met a few mature believers, which I'm thankful for.

 

[Laura798]

Thanks Yahshua, for clarifying--it would have been helpful if she wouldv'e.

Her response was a general cryptic response to all-not to the original poster. Obviously, I had missed that--rather than explaining and acknowledging what I shared--which I was happy about, because honestly when I initially joined Christian Chat, I found the personal attacks, the personal opinions rather than rational arguments supported with scripture, off putting. At that time, I had requested my account to be deleted. However, I've discovered that even if no one changes their mind, I am learning more, simply by putting together a response. And also have met a few mature believers, which I'm thankful for.

 

[Laura798]

Sophie said:

I would monitor myself more if I were you and a little less about others

I don't have to clarify a thing to you or explain myself to you

I was not posting to you and that is all you are going to get


I take it from yet another rude and unkind response Sophie, that you are not a true Christian as you seem to be thinking only of yourself--taking what I said originally--my joy in discovering more about the Lord as somehow against you--though how anyone could be offended by that I have no idea. Also, I was responding to Yahshua, not to you, so perhaps you should heed your own advice and monitor yourself and not others. PS Your Zzz's to my other comment show your heart...as well as your spiritual immaturity.

 

[SophieT]

Sophie said:

I would monitor myself more if I were you and a little less about others

I don't have to clarify a thing to you or explain myself to you

I was not posting to you and that is all you are going to get


I take it from yet another rude and unkind response Sophie, that you are not a true Christian as you seem to be thinking only of yourself--taking what I said originally--my joy in discovering more about the Lord as somehow against you--though how anyone could be offended by that I have no idea. Also, I was responding to Yahshua, not to you, so perhaps you should heed your own advice and monitor yourself and not others. PS Your Zzz's to my other comment show your heart...as well as your spiritual immaturity.

that's not going to work with me

as long as you are that true Christian that everyone else can learn from, it's all good, right?

you insert yourself into a private conversation between myself and a poster no longer here and you want to know the inside story

not everything is about you.

 

[Laura798]

that's not going to work with me

as long as you are that true Christian that everyone else can learn from, it's all good, right?

you insert yourself into a private conversation between myself and a poster no longer here and you want to know the inside story

not everything is about you.

And Sophie--I am not seeing the QUOTE in your comments, so I thought it was a general comment--as is obvious by my original response. Also it appears that you were lurking in this forum rather than participating--that is creepy. You don't come across as a true Christian as evidenced by your emojis--laugh emoji in response to my last comment--I am picturing the Joker right now...

and now I know you were lurking and reporting the person who was OBVIOUSLY not a Christian--when you weren't even participating in the forum is doubly creepy.

 

[SophieT]

wow. you sound upset in some way. i'm sorry if i misunderstood something. i didn't see that you had posted anything in reference to the topic. i'll go back and see what it is i missed. it's too bad that you couldn't see all the good in what i wrote. perhaps someone else will find all the positives in what i shared.

too bad I could not see all the good in what you wrote?

you are ticked off because I did not give you the attention you think you deserve? guess what? I did not read even one of your posts

and most likely, most people here did not either

that is normal in a forum like this

I am not responding to you further

 

[Laura798]

too bad I could not see all the good in what you wrote?

you are ticked off because I did not give you the attention you think you deserve? guess what? I did not read even one of your posts

I don't have time for your drama

done

Drama? Are you serious? And you proved my point about your lurking since you weren't reading the posts.

I think you might consider taking a Christian 101 class--you are really immature and unkind.

"Matthew 15:8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."--Matthew 15:8

 

[SophieT]

Drama? Are you serious? And you proved my point about your lurking since you weren't reading the posts.

I think you might consider taking a Christian 101 class--you are really immature and unkind.

"Matthew 15:8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."--Matthew 15:8

this has been reported and I will continue to report your personal attacks. there is no reason for you to harass anyone this way

I have noticed you doing this to other people and so I don't bother with you and I tried to be polite, but you just kept it up with the digging at me.

that is not how we behave around here

 

[SophieT]

and now I know you were lurking and reporting the person who was OBVIOUSLY not a Christian--when you weren't even participating in the forum is doubly creepy.

I never reported that person but I am sure many did

however I have now actually reported you. and put you on ignore

people are not going to tolerate the way you misconstrue and then attack people and say they are not saved

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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Re: What Did Jesus Say About Himself?

• John 6:48-49 . . . I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the
wilderness, and they died.

Manna was very nourishing but limited; it didn't sustain Moses' people
indefinitely even though it was God-given and miraculous.

Psalm 78:24-25 is commonly translated to say that the manna was angels'
food, but in none of the other fifteen places where the Hebrew word appears
is it translated to indicate celestial beings. It usually speaks of strength,
valiance, and/or superiority.

I think we can safely paraphrase Ps 78:25 to say that manna was powerful
food; and indeed it was because it's common to develop deficiency diseases
when people eat only one kind of food at every meal day after day;
especially vegans. But according to Deut 8:4, the people apparently enjoyed
exceptional health.

• John 6:50-51a . .This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a
man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from
heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever;

Jesus chose a good comparison. Up till that moment, the Jews knew of no
foods superior to manna.

• John 6:51b-52 . . And the bread which I shall give for the life of the world
is my flesh. The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying: How can
this man give us his flesh to eat?

The Jews misunderstood Jesus to mean cannibalism. Well; he laid that idea
to rest with this statement:

• John 6:61-62 . . Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus
said to them: Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend
to where he was before?

In other words; in order for people to successfully cannibalize Jesus' body, it
would have to be accessible where they could cut into it with a knife and
fork. Were he to depart for heaven, which he eventually did; people would
lose access to his body and thus find it impossible to comply if true that his
teaching spoke of cannibalism. So we can rule out a literal meaning of his
words right off the bat.

Jesus' teachings were somewhat cryptic.

• John 6:63 . .The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I
have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Spirit words oftentimes contain hidden meanings not easily discerned by
human intelligence.

• 1Cor 2:13-15 . .We speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in
words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The
man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit
of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them,
because they are spiritually discerned.

Jesus' spirit words were not well-received by the audience that day.

• John 6:66 . . From this time many of his disciples turned back and no
longer followed him.

Well; no surprise there. The reason they gave up on Jesus was simply
because they were listening to his spirit words with human ears instead of
hearing them with ears provided by God; ergo:

• John 6:63-65 . .There are some of you who do not believe. This is why I
told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him.

In order to get in on the Father's enabling, people must first be confident
that Jesus' teachings are reliable.

• John 6:67-69 . . You do not want to leave too, do you? Jesus asked the
twelve. Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? You have
the words of eternal life. We believe and know that you are the Holy One of
God.

That was easily the wisest decision Peter ever made. Though he didn't have
a clue what Jesus was talking about at first, our guy was confident that
Jesus was the voice of God. That's a really, really good place to start with
Christ.

• John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
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amen

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Laura798]

I never reported that person but I am sure many did

however I have now actually reported you. and put you on ignore

people are not going to tolerate the way you misconstrue and then attack people and say they are not saved

Reported me for what? For calling you out on your rudeness? You are the kind of person who should not be on chat forums--you are the reason so many people want their accounts deleted.

PS If you say you are going to stop then please STOP.

 

[Laura798]

this has been reported and I will continue to report your personal attacks. there is no reason for you to harass anyone this way

I have noticed you doing this to other people and so I don't bother with you and I tried to be polite, but you just kept it up with the digging at me.

that is not how we behave around here

You can dish it out but you can't take it.

If they kick me off it's no skin off my nose--there are too many instigators like you who outweigh the few mature believers on this site.

And you have reported yourself by reporting me--you don't think they can't see your part in this?

Monitors, if you are reading this, please compare my posts here to those of Sofie--you will see that I was having a serious theological discussion where she was simply lurking.

Also compare any of my other posts to hers---

 

[Laura798]

this has been reported and I will continue to report your personal attacks. there is no reason for you to harass anyone this way

I have noticed you doing this to other people and so I don't bother with you and I tried to be polite, but you just kept it up with the digging at me.

that is not how we behave around here

Polite? There is NOTHING that could be construed as polite in your posts here--you were rude and your emojis were obnoxious.

 

[Laura798]

Polite? There is NOTHING that could be construed as polite in your posts here--you were rude and your emojis were obnoxious.

Also you were goading the original poster--a person who is lost--you shared no truth at all and added nothing of any spiritual value to this forum.