John 8:38- I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.
Separate person, referring to his past life.
Separate person, referring to his past life.
What did Jesus say about HIMSELF?
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John 8:40- but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did.
In reference to his past life.
In reference to his past life.
John 8:42- Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me."
Making it CLEAR that God was a separate person who had SENT him!
Making it CLEAR that God was a separate person who had SENT him!
John 8:53- Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you claim to be?
54- Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God.
55- But you have not known Him; I know Him. If I said, I do not know Him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know Him and I keep his word.
56- Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57- The Jews then said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
Now, before you consider how the next verse was translated- reflect on what Jesus had told them:
1- He was sent by God from heaven
2- He had a message ("angel") from Him.
3- He was given authority by Him, and
4- That He, in his past life, had seen Abraham! and,
5- He was answering their question!
And, note THIS:
Interlinears show that the two Greek Words (ego eimi) translated in EVERY TRANSLATION as
"I AM", are used FREQUENTLY in the 'New Testament'- and NEVER as that ancient Symbolic Hebrew Name God used once!
Yet NO translator puts it in CAPS in all the other places for such deception!
"Ego eimi" means "I am", "I was/existed", "I am coming", "I am in agreement", etc. - but NEVER that Symbolic Hebrew Name!
So let's do al little thinking as how this verse is mistranslated~
58- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Speaking e-bonics ?
It SHOULD read~
58- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I existed.”
Or else Jesus 'put a Foot in his Mouth'! ROYALLY.
54- Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God.
55- But you have not known Him; I know Him. If I said, I do not know Him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know Him and I keep his word.
56- Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57- The Jews then said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
Now, before you consider how the next verse was translated- reflect on what Jesus had told them:
1- He was sent by God from heaven
2- He had a message ("angel") from Him.
3- He was given authority by Him, and
4- That He, in his past life, had seen Abraham! and,
5- He was answering their question!
And, note THIS:
Interlinears show that the two Greek Words (ego eimi) translated in EVERY TRANSLATION as
"I AM", are used FREQUENTLY in the 'New Testament'- and NEVER as that ancient Symbolic Hebrew Name God used once!
Yet NO translator puts it in CAPS in all the other places for such deception!
"Ego eimi" means "I am", "I was/existed", "I am coming", "I am in agreement", etc. - but NEVER that Symbolic Hebrew Name!
So let's do al little thinking as how this verse is mistranslated~
58- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Speaking e-bonics ?
It SHOULD read~
58- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I existed.”
Or else Jesus 'put a Foot in his Mouth'! ROYALLY.
John 10:15- as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16- And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.
17- For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18- No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father.
This explains the reference to John 2, showing that he received his authority from God, his Father- even he have his life returned!
16- And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.
17- For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18- No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father.
This explains the reference to John 2, showing that he received his authority from God, his Father- even he have his life returned!
It's not dishonest at all. The goal of translation is to present the original language and meaning in the destination language, which includes grammar, style, and punctuation thereof, and not necessarily of the original. If the message is not presented in the correct form of the destination language, it is not translated correctly.
John 10:25- Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness to me;
26- but you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep.
27- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me;
28- and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
29- My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30- I and the Father are one.”
Not literally, we'll see that his DISICIPLES were too at John 17.
Notice he said that his God was GREATER than anyone!
Including Jesus!
26- but you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep.
27- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me;
28- and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
29- My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30- I and the Father are one.”
Not literally, we'll see that his DISICIPLES were too at John 17.
Notice he said that his God was GREATER than anyone!
Including Jesus!
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So, you think it proper to make it seem like God, who sent Jesus, was lesser than him?
It, even now, amazes me how people can ignore the context~
John 10:32- Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?”
33- The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
Trinitarians stop here!
34- Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are Gods’?
35 If He called them Gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken),
36- do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the SON of God’?
37- If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
38- but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.
He CLEARLY answered he was NOT God, but His son!
John 10:32- Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?”
33- The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
Trinitarians stop here!
34- Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are Gods’?
35 If He called them Gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken),
36- do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the SON of God’?
37- If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
38- but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.
He CLEARLY answered he was NOT God, but His son!
John 11:24- Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25- Jesus said to her, “I am [ego emin] the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
26- and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
27- She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the son of God, he who is coming into the world.”
Did she believe in the Trinity? That he was GOD?
25- Jesus said to her, “I am [ego emin] the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
26- and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
27- She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the son of God, he who is coming into the world.”
Did she believe in the Trinity? That he was GOD?
wrong,
Jesus is the ONLY SON of GOD meaning there is none like HIM. John 3:16 very clearly states that. You can't separate the Deity from the man or the man from the deity. Jesus is fully God and fully man. The Spirit of Christ is eternal and has always been from the beginning.
John 11:39- Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days.”
40- Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”
41- So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, [ no 'Holy Ghost'] I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42- I knew that Thou hearest me always, but I have said this on account of the people standing by, that they may believe that Thou didst send me.”
43- When he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, “Laz′arus, come out.”
44- The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with bandages, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
Jesus didn't rely on 'the Trinity'...
40- Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”
41- So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, [ no 'Holy Ghost'] I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42- I knew that Thou hearest me always, but I have said this on account of the people standing by, that they may believe that Thou didst send me.”
43- When he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, “Laz′arus, come out.”
44- The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with bandages, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
Jesus didn't rely on 'the Trinity'...
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Your words were right: "the ONLY SON of GOD", in a sense, the rest is your imagination.
Job 38:6- On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone,
7- when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
John12:27- “Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, for this purpose I have come to this hour. 28- Father, glorify thy name.” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”
Who was this? The 'Holy Ghost' and 'God-The-Father" in unity?
Who was this? The 'Holy Ghost' and 'God-The-Father" in unity?
Instead of asking one question after another, how about answering one:
What is your understanding of the phrase, "the sons of God" from Job 38:6?
John 12:44- And Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me.
45- And he who sees me sees Him who sent me. [John 10]
46- I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
47- If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48- He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.
49- For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has Himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.
50- And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me.”
Jesus the Greatest Messenger (Angel) God ever had!
45- And he who sees me sees Him who sent me. [John 10]
46- I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
47- If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48- He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.
49- For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has Himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.
50- And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me.”
Jesus the Greatest Messenger (Angel) God ever had!