Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

[CS1]

No Christian can keep the Law. What I hear a lot is is how some keep a few then use grace to cover the other they can't.

If you are justified by the law you must keep all the law not just what makes you feel good. Paul said it is impossible to do by the law what Grace does for those who can't follow the law.

 

[Charlie24]

the law required perfection
as James said if we keep the whole law yet stumble in one point we are guilty
you water down the law and Gods standard of of righteousness

Yes, they were to try and keep the Law! The point is that they couldn't, that was part of the purpose. It defined what sin was and their inability to keep it.

Their way out was the sacrificial system, which was faith in the coming Messiah by the sacrifice of an innocent animal that represented Christ.

 

[CS1]

Yes, they were to try and keep the Law! The point is that they couldn't, that was part of the purpose. It defined what sin was and their inability to keep it.

Their way out was the sacrificial system, which was faith in the coming Messiah by the sacrifice of an innocent animal that represented Christ.

the law is God's standard, man should see they need God to forgive him and not that IF they can keep it they can save themselves.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, they were to try and keep the Law! The point is that they couldn't, that was part of the purpose. It defined what sin was and their inability to keep it.

Their way out was the sacrificial system, which was faith in the coming Messiah by the sacrifice of an innocent animal that represented Christ.

Hence the ministry of death written in stone. That command which was to bring life is found to bring death

 

[Charlie24]

Hence the ministry of death written in stone. That command which was to bring life is found to bring death

It brought death because of the inability to keep it! This is where grace through faith comes in.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The law doesn't any longer condemn the believer in Christ; while we are still obedient to it as believers.

This is the reality; that the law is written on the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 john 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21)..

no Moses law isn’t written in my heart lol I don’t live anything like Moses taught that would be totally contrary to what Jesus taught his followers

You sort of have it mixed up it’s written on mankind’s old nature so. I one has excuse it’s why non believing murderers still hide thier deed they understand what they have done is wrong. It’s why people mostly cover thier sins I front of others believers or not the law is written on Mankind’s heart in the conscience

by nature for the most part , we already know murder is wrong , theft is wrong , adultery is wrong , when we’re young and cheat on a girlfriend or they on us we see the nature of the offense and understand and feel guilty if we do things wrong for the most part ( there are exceptions ) but mostly all
People have a moral compass that is the residue of the law of sin and death living inside them

the law is because of and governs over sin Jesus is about re it tong our sins and teaching us the gospel

but we are all free to believe as we will about the law I suppose seems plain really to me the word of faith they were told again and again to hear and believe that came after the law is what gets written on the heart because we accept and believe it but that’s just what I think

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the law is God's standard, man should see they need God to forgive him and not that IF they can keep it they can save themselves.

Jesus is Gods standard for mankind and what he taught. The law is this

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

many people in the New Testament kept the law without fault and it didn’t mean anything Paul says it’s worth dung compared to knowing Christ through the gospel

 

[justbyfaith]

No Christian can keep the Law. What I hear a lot is is how some keep a few then use grace to cover the other they can't.

If you are justified by the law you must keep all the law not just what makes you feel good. Paul said it is impossible to do by the law what Grace does for those who can't follow the law.

If we are justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ it does not mean that we do not seek to be obedient to the Lord.

What does it mean to be obedient to Him, but to obey the moral tenets that He has given in His word?

Not even our limited obedience to the law has the capability to justify us in any way. Therefore we are not justified through keeping some of the law and then His grace covers us the rest of the way...no.

It is that we are justified wholly by His grace and we become obedient children / servants, as the result.

We are not justified by our obedience in the slightest.

We obey out of gratitude to Him for having forgiven us of every sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hence the ministry of death written in stone. That command which was to bring life is found to bring death

For those who seek to be justified by it.

It is actually a blessing to those who know and understand that they have been justified through faith in Jesus' blood (James 1:25).

 

[justbyfaith]

no Moses law isn’t written in my heart lol I don’t live anything like Moses taught that would be totally contrary to what Jesus taught his followers

Moses' law, as I am speaking of it, is not the civil law but the moral tenets that we are to individually follow as believers.

It does not consist of the penalties for violating the requirements that it demands; but it consists of the requirements themselves.

It consists of the moral tenets (such as "Thou shalt not kill") that affect the moral character and behaviour of the believer under the New Covenant.

For whatever law is spoken of in Jeremiah 31:33, is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 2 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21).

So, if that law is not the law of Moses, what law is it?

Perhaps you can define for us what law Jeremiah is prophesying about in Jeremiah 31:33.

Because when he prophesied it, the only law in existence was the law of Moses, as far as I can tell.

So what was the intent of the author, when he spoke of the law in this instance?

 

[justbyfaith]

People have a moral compass that is the residue of the law of sin and death living inside them

Our conscience is the law of sin and death?

So, if we deny our conscience, we will be free from the law of sin and death?

Are you not advocating for Christians to become psychopaths?

 

[justbyfaith]

many people in the New Testament kept the law without fault and it didn’t mean anything Paul says it’s worth dung compared to knowing Christ through the gospel

Paul the apostle (B.C.) was perfectly blameless outwardly; but when it came to coveting he was a miserable failure.

Thus, Jesus' re-definition of the law would have convicted him of sin; and Paul would be found to be righteous outwardly but on the inside full of dead men's bones (B.C.).

No wonder he counted that righteousness as dung! The righteousness which is of God by faith (Philippians 3:9) would cleanse the inside of the cup and platter; therefore the righteousness of faith was far superior to the righteousness that he had before.

 

[CS1]

If we are justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ it does not mean that we do not seek to be obedient to the Lord.

What does it mean to be obedient to Him, but to obey the moral tenets that He has given in His word?

Not even our limited obedience to the law has the capability to justify us in any way. Therefore we are not justified through keeping some of the law and then His grace covers us the rest of the way...no.

It is that we are justified wholly by His grace and we become obedient children / servants, as the result.

We are not justified by our obedience in the slightest.

We obey out of gratitude to Him for having forgiven us of every sin.

obedience is not out of doing the law it is out of love to God. GODS LAW IS PURE YET OUR FLESH is NOT SAVED.

 

[justbyfaith]

obedience is not out of doing the law it is out of love to God. GODS LAW IS PURE YET OUR FLESH is NOT SAVED.

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4)

 

[StillWitnessing]

" for i came Not to Judge the world, but rather to SAVE it."

And that is about all life 😇

 

[BroTan]

All the law has been fulfilled in Christ. I am in Christ thus the law is fulfilled in my life.

You must not fully understand what Jesus is saying in Matthew 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Looks like Jesus saying something different then what you are saying here.

 

[BroTan]

If animal sacrifice was the law that Galatians was talking about then there would be a bunch of people sacrificing animals until it brought them to Christ.

I didn't sacrifice any animals.

Did you? Did those sacrifices bring you to Christ? I don't see why they would.



But, if you tried to obey the 10 commandments, (which is the schoolmaster), as the Lord teaches in Matthew 5, you will find pretty quickly that you will need to be brought to Christ for His Help.

I didn't know you was around at the time Christ came, I wasn't, that's why I have to read the Bible. Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us.

 

[BroTan]

Do you even realize you just made the argument for me? Probably not because most people get this chapter COMPLETELY WRONG. This chapter is not telling everyone that te=he Jews and Gentiles are ONE (even though we are the same unto Gid by Faith, just like a Male and Female are seen as the same unto Gid if we come unto Him by FAITH ALONO, but just like Males and Females Jews a Gentils are still Jews and Gentiles and God has clearly delineated times fir both, thus the TIME of the Gentiles = the Church Age, in-between the TWO TIMES of the Jews, the Spring Feasts and the Fall Feasts (so to speak).

So, if one understands what this chapter means, they understand you just defeated your own argument. Paul calls the Gentile Galatians FOOLISH because they were trying to be like the Jews by obeying the LAW (LOL....No kidding). Thus who has bewitched you that you began in the FAITH no have moved to the FLESH (serving the law as the Jews did before). Then he goes into a diatribe why the Law can not save you, why only faith can save you, why the Law is a CURSE and only FAITH in Jesus saves us, why the Law was NOT the original Promise, but was only added 430 years AFTER the Promise unto Abraham, thus only the PROMISE can save us, and the Law is thus done away with after the Promised SEED has come.

Then finally Paul makes a PO9NT that Satan has managed to TWIST, he tells them that the Jews and Gentiles are al the same, like male and females, but he isn'T saying there are no males and females nor that there is no Jews and Gentiles, he's telling them, HEY..........STOP TRYI G TO BE LIKE THE Jews and serving the Law, it avails NOTHING, its a CURSE, only FAITH can REdeem you so STOP tryi g to serve the Laws like the Jews, Gd sees al the Jews AND the Gentiles the exact same way, when they come unto him by FAITH ALONE !!

Every time I see someone say the Jews and Gentiles are now ONE I just laugh, makes and females are not ONE, anyone with common sense can read that and see that it is just the opposite of what they have been taught, in most cases.

What was the law that came 430 years later?

What was the law that was before the 430 years?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Moses' law, as I am speaking of it, is not the civil law but the moral tenets that we are to individually follow as believers.

It does not consist of the penalties for violating the requirements that it demands; but it consists of the requirements themselves.

It consists of the moral tenets (such as "Thou shalt not kill") that affect the moral character and behaviour of the believer under the New Covenant.

For whatever law is spoken of in Jeremiah 31:33, is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 2 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21).

So, if that law is not the law of Moses, what law is it?

Perhaps you can define for us what law Jeremiah is prophesying about in Jeremiah 31:33.

Because when he prophesied it, the only law in existence was the law of Moses, as far as I can tell.

So what was the intent of the author, when he spoke of the law in this instance?

so your not talking about the law of Moses ? Or how he said to treat people ?

if someone asked you is it right to get a divorce ? Would you tell them what Moses said is morally right ? Or what Jesus said is morally right ? They are different because one is born of sin the other is with remission of sins whos word do we follow
Moses in the law or Jesus in the gospel ?

Is it right to swear oaths to God like Moses said ? Or is it right to follow what Jesus said ? Is it morally right to retaliate with equal vengeance like Moses taught ? Or is it morally right to learn and follow Jesus doctrine about how to react to offense and turn the other cheek ? Not taking revenge ?

do we follow Moses words or Jesus words ?



how do you fulfill a commandment telling you what not to do ? Don’t kill is what you tell killers , don’t lie liars , don’t cheat , cheaters the law is spoken to these folk so it sounds like it does

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,

but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you are speaking to those folks you start explaining the rules that they “better not “violate because you know thier sins and iniquity already then you add “ or you must surely be put to death “

the law is like ishmael when Isaac was born ishmael was cast out of Abraham’s house . When the gospel came the things the law and prophets said we’re coming had come and they were fulfilled and the word of Christ became the word of the covenant just as Moses words and the blood he shed for the peoples sins had ruled the old , Christs words and his blood rule the new

 

[justbyfaith]

I didn't know you was around at the time Christ came, I wasn't, that's why I have to read the Bible. Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us.

The law was indeed nailed to the Cross (Colossians 2:14).

However, this is as concerning condemnation; not as concerning obedience.

So, it is not that we, as believers, have it as our general practice to violate the law; we obey the law if we are truly born again because the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts and this love is the fulfilling of the law in practical application of obeying the commandments.

However, if we were to blow it and violate just one of the commandments, we are guilty of breaking all of the law (James 2:10). And yet, there is no condemnation for us because we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

See also Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 3:25, Galatians 5:18.