I think, however, that to steal most always means lack of love.
(I suppose that one could argue for an exception in the case of Robin Hood).
Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy
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(I suppose that one could argue for an exception in the case of Robin Hood).
Robin Hood steal to love the poor but not love the rich, so he do both love and not love
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It is not the standard of righteousness. Omce agains, Gods standard is so far above the commands of the law. one could keep the law perfectly and still fall short of Gods glory.
It can;t be kept. so when you say MUST you place a burden on a believe which is impossible
The ten commands are just a glimpse of God.
This is wrong Paul said no such thing, He said when he sins, the command kills him
The ministry of death written in stone is what killed him. the command.
Again, read what paul said
Romans 7: 9 I Romans 7:9–11 (NKJV): was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.
it was the command which brought death without the command their could be no charges. Hence without the law I was alive.
He also made it clear. The command caused sin to increase not decrease. That’s how temptation works. You know it’s bad you know it’s wrong but you just keep thinking about it until eventually you fall
Hey you got this part right
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Jesus came to fulfill amen
He did what we can never do. So we could be made eight in him
Your right he also did Not come to destroy. The law is still
Valid for every non believer. To expose their guilt and point them to Christ so they too can find forgiveness
He did what we can never do. So we could be made eight in him
Your right he also did Not come to destroy. The law is still
Valid for every non believer. To expose their guilt and point them to Christ so they too can find forgiveness
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Amen
When he came he saw the blood. Not the worthiness of the people in the house
In the law he saw the blood. Not the tablets of stone and proofs of guilt inside the ark. Which made everyone guilty. It was nit their worthiness ir good deeds which he saw
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Did I read him right that he would use a whip to force people to Christ?
Even Jesus came not to judge but to save
Jesus came not to whip people to
Make them believe. But to heal them from their unbelief
The pride of some people thinking they are like God.
the whip thing is the perfect example of the religious mindset- obey or else.
Christ says believe in Me, you will be saved , now go do good works.
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Amen. Like I said he needs to change his name to something he actually believes
Lawyers want to whip people to force them to Christ then somehow think God is proud of them
A man named saul tried this. God converted him and changed his name to Paul. So there is hope for these people. But the pride must be broken first
the only people that Jesus used a whip on were the money changers at the Temple.
who did they work for? the religious leaders....
Now that is something I can agree with! The only thing I would add is that this is the only way that the righteousness of the Law can be fulfilled in us, as Paul said, by what you have explained here.
You see, Grandpa, there is righteousness in the Law but no salvation because man can't keep it!
rich in the ways of the world and poor in the ways of the world.
if we take from the 'ways of the world' of ourselves and give those things to the holy and righteous ways of ourselves that we are/ become as we follow Christ (the Spirit) -- we become rich. the right kind of of rich that is -- which is poor. and poor in any lesser and/or wrong way of thought. rich in the thoughts of God... which are higher than man's... and to be found by the One who is becoming Poor.
Yep, Robin Hood concept is not biblical concept.
In biblical concept, if you love the poor, give them Jesus. Salvation is the most every body need.
Say you give million dollar to the poor and he become rich, than he die and go to hell what a gain?
Give them Jesus, he may die of hunger than go to billions dollar heaven, that is more more than temporary millionair on earth
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E v e r y t h I n g in the world can be learned from and teach a lesson. do not limit yourself ... but become rich in learning ... from God /Spirit.
E v e r y t h I n g in the world can be learned from and teach a lesson. do not limit yourself ... but become rich in learning ... from God /Spirit.
why does Moses command opposite things from Jesus is my point ? The law is what’s written in Moses book not part of it or some but all
so Moses commanded many things to the children of Israel and Jesus commands different opposite things how do you square that part ? Moses taught one thing and Jesus taught a contrary thing ?
why is it opposite ?
Moses endorsed divorce if you are unhappy in marriage and endorses remarriage to others Jesus doesn’t teach that but says there’s only one reason for divorce and re marriage is forbidden
how do you square the opposite nature of what Moses taught and what Jesus taught ? Why are the teachings different if they aren’t ?
“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:”
Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV
Jesus didn’t re teach the law he preached the gospel
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16 KJV
the law came through Moses Jesus preached the gospel
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
really no matter how hard one tries the law and gospel cannot be made to fit together they are seperate opposite covenants one does this it imputes sin and calls for death
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”
Romans 3:19 KJV
to be guilty of sin means death under the law
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”
Exodus 31:15 KJV
“And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.”
Leviticus 24:16
“And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:11 KJV
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:13 KJV
“A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:27 KJV
“And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:12
“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
Leviticus 20:10
Jesus didn’t follow any of those things he saved people from it like this woman
“And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?”
John 8:3-5 KJV
Jesus of course saved the woman turning thier judgement back on them not keeping Moses commandment of death sentence.
I’m not sure I guess some people just can’t acknowledge that what the law says is contrary to what Jesus said
get divorced and remarry if your not happy said Moses , no don’t do that said Jesus that is adultery said Jesus.
keepmthe oaths and vows you swear to God said Moses , no don’t make any vows and swear to anything before God said Jesus
show no mercy towards sinners said Moses , be merciful to sinners and don’t condemn them like the Father didn’t condemn you said Jesus
take equal revenge if someone wrongs you said Moses , no don’t do that said Jesus but turn the other cheek bless insults , love your enemies
I think often when we can’t see the difference it’s because we haven’t actually taken time to read the law it’s opposite
if I say somethings blue and you say it’s orange we aren’t speaking the same word it’s contrary. Get divorced and remarry is contrary to don’t get divorced and remarry show mercy to mothers is opposite of don’t show any pity or mercy punish the sinner
keep your vows to God is different than don’t make vows to God
how or why is Moses word contrary from Christs ? Isn’t it because there is a new covenant not according to the old
Covenant ? Seems like the New Testament is what the law and prophets were foretelling would
One day come
it’s not what it says actually it says anyone whomis of the works proscribed but law is under the curse in other words Christians who try to keep Israel’s covenant
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
when one becomes obliged to the law it means this
“For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
Galatians 5:3-4
do You notice Paul keeps bringing this up ? About having to keep everything written in Moses book ?
And James
“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
James 2:10 KJV
When a Christian thinks they belong to Moses law they are taking on the obligations in it.
What your missing I think is that of a person just forgets the law of Moses and starts to believe the gospel and follow
Christs word the commandments become irrelevant
if o don’t allow lust in my heart ring told about not committing adultery becomes irrelevant if I eliminate hate , greed , pride like Jesus teaches I will never have any motive to cheat and kill
And lie ect
if we follow the spirit Christ preached Moses law of sin and death becomes a mute point irrelevant and for dead men
I'm also not trying to use the law as a hypocrite against Christians.
Something to keep in mind.
There is righteousness that is DESCRIBED by the Law.
But if it was able to be achieved then there would be no need for the Sacrifice of Christ.
We could all just be varying degrees of Pharisees.
Which, I think if we were honest, is what we truly desire.
It is not the law that brings death, but sin, taking occasion by the commandment, is what produces death (Romans 7:7-13).