Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

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justbyfaith

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Are you preaching the Law of Moses or Christianity? We Christians have the New Covenant.
Under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
 

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Under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
You're being evasive! Are you under the New Covenant or the Law of Moses? Do you even know?
 

justbyfaith

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You're being evasive! Are you under the New Covenant or the Law of Moses? Do you even know?
What does Hebrews 8:8-10 tell you?

Here is another one (a New Testament scripture)...

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
 

Duckybill

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What does Hebrews 8:8-10 tell you?

Here is another one (a New Testament scripture)...

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
You clearly don't know which Covenant you are under. You'd better find out soon. ONLY the New Covenant in Jesus' Blood can save us, not the blood of animals as Moses commanded!
 

justbyfaith

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You clearly don't know which Covenant you are under. You'd better find out soon. ONLY the Blood Covenant of Jesus can save us.
The blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

When we are sanctified, the result is that we will not sin in the same manner that we used to any more.

Think.
 

Duckybill

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The blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

When we are sanctified, the result is that we will not sin in the same manner that we used to any more.

Think.
Are you preaching the Law of Moses or not? I don't think you know.
 

justbyfaith

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Are you preaching the Law of Moses or not? I don't think you know.
I do know.

I am in fact preaching the law as a schoolmaster to lead you to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).
 

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The blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

When we are sanctified, the result is that we will not sin in the same manner that we used to any more.

Think.

the greek word for sin actually means to miss the mark, to stray.

as James said, to know to do good and not do so.
 

Duckybill

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I do know.

I am in fact preaching the law as a schoolmaster to lead you to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).
There you go folks! You preach the Law but you don't obey the Law! Typical Law preacher who doesn't obey the Law!
 

justbyfaith

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the greek word for sin actually means to miss the mark, to stray.

as James said, to know to do good and not do so.
The biblical definition for sin is that it is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

I do not argue that it is not to miss the mark (the standard of perfection).

For the standard of perfection is the law.
 

justbyfaith

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There you go folks! You preach the Law but you don't obey the Law! Typical Law preacher who doesn't obey the Law!
No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

The spirit of the law is a different story (Romans 7:6).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

So, then, we ought not to preach it as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv))?

How then will they be led to Christ?
 

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The law remains to condemn those not saved by grace
through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.


By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one
obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
Didn't Jesus say in (John 14:15) If you love me, keep my commandments.
 

BroTan

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hes explaining that all things have been fulfilled written in the law and prophets about him he actually if you continue reading explains what was written and fulfilled

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-47‬ ‭

Jesus had died and risen like the prophets foretold , he had received Gods spirit and preached the gospel like the prophets and law foretold , the messiah had been born of a virgin like the prophets foretold he had healed thier infirmities like the scripture foretold , he had shown them the light like the scripture foretold he had ridden into Jerusalem on an asses colt like the prophets foretold

he had been pierced in the house of his friends like the prophets foretold , he had risen up from death like the prophets foretold

the ot tells of Jesus first coming his bir to and ministry life and death those things are all fulfilled the New Testament promises his second coming those things haven’t yet been fulfilled

everything the law and prophets had foretold should come with the messiah had come now we’re into what the New Testament prophets had said will come the second coming according to the New Testament

the entire law and prophets foretells the gospel
Most of what you are saying is true, but all is not fulfilled. Let's go into the scriptures in Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Notice Jesus didn’t mention that last piece in Isaiah 61:2 and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; Because this referrers to Jesus second coming. This part has not been fulfilled yet. Jesus only fulfilled half, the other half is at his second coming.
 

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No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

The spirit of the law is a different story (Romans 7:6).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

So, then, we ought not to preach it as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv))?

How then will they be led to Christ?
Were you even circumsised to obey Moses??
 

BroTan

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God's LAW is fulfilled in Jesus in that there must be a BLOOD SACRIFICE for Sin, thus Jesus did not destroy that law, but he fulfilled it. Laws simply mean God's Righteous Rules. Why was the Law added 430 years after the Promise? Well, Gal. chapter 3 tells us, because of TRANSGRESSIONS, but it also says that after the Schoolmaster is only around until the PROMISED SEED comes since Jesus has come we have no need for the Law.

READ IT.............It is very, very clear !! There can be no further debate, /thread.

Ga;. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions(Sin), till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Its really just that simple.

Well...Let's take a look and see what Paul is really saying in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 

Duckybill

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The Law preachers love to preach the parts of the Law they like but ignore most of the Law!
 

Grandpa

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Rom. 3:31

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

I would rethink that position, it's not as simple as what meets the eye!
It IS as simple as what meets the eye.

Faith in Christ doesn't cause the Law to be dishonored.

Faith in Christ causes Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Faith and Goodness to be produced in the hearts of those who have come to Him.

It is those qualities that establishes the law.


It is NOT, and has never been, established by our wisdom and knowledge and strength at keeping commandments.
 

Grandpa

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Once we have been trained by a schoolmaster/tutor, we do not need the schoolmaster/tutor anymore because we have been trained by that schoolmaster/tutor to do what it taught us to do.

So, did the schoolmaster/tutor teach us to be disobedient, by showing us that we cannot be anything but disobedient?

I think that such an idea is false doctrine in the slightest.
No. You missed the whole point. Again.

The schoolmaster brought us TO CHRIST.

We don't need the schoolmaster anymore because we have CHRIST.

The "tutor" taught us we need CHRIST.


And what the tutor also should have taught us, but some still haven't learned, is that there is nothing that the law can give a person other than the knowledge of their need for Christ!!

Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Galatians 3:21-22
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
 

Duckybill

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Have the Law of Moses preachers here even been circumsized as Moses COMMANDED?