Our new relationship to the law.

[justbyfaith]

@eternally-gratefull,

you must hate me quite a bit, to level such an accusation against me.

Don't think that I am so stupid as to be unaware of what you are implying.

Which is refuted by the understanding that I am being persecuted for preaching the law here.

 

[Charlie24]

@eternally-gratefull,

you must hate me quite a bit, to level such an accusation against me.

Don't think that I am so stupid as to be unaware of what you are implying.

Which is refuted by the understanding that I am being persecuted for preaching the law here.

Here I go again, sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, lol!

Anyone can plainly see you are not preaching the Law for salvation in any way, there's another problem here not being brought to the surface.

Just a suggestion: let it go, my friend, and go about the things concerning the Lord as you have been called to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@eternally-gratefull,

you must hate me quite a bit, to level such an accusation against me.

Don't think that I am so stupid as to be unaware of what you are implying.

Which is refuted by the understanding that I am being persecuted for preaching the law here.

Well lets see. Everyone here but your buddy from another chat room thinks you are teaching the law

I guess we are all wrong.

 

[justbyfaith]

Well lets see. Everyone here but your buddy from another chat room thinks you are teaching the law

I guess we are all wrong.

I know that I am preaching the law; just not for salvation as my "buddy" has aptly pointed out.

You and your buddy Grandpa are indeed wrong in your assessment.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know that I am preaching the law; just not for salvation as my "buddy" has aptly pointed out.

You and your buddy Grandpa are indeed wrong in your assessment.

Nope

we are not under the law. The law is the minister od death. Because anyone who does not obey it all is cursed.

Yes. Jesus freed us from the curse But that does n9t mean we go back to the curse itself

You and your buddy are just like a few other people who have come and gone in the past who has taught this same form of jewish rots nonsense.

You wong be the last

Just know. Most people have heard it before. Thats why hardly anyone responds to your posts.

But instead of leaving it alone? No you have to bump your posts to promote your law teaching

I already placed you buddy in my prayer Binn I am about to send you there.

 

[justbyfaith]

Nope

we are not under the law.

Yes, we are not under the law as concerning condemnation.

As concerning obedience:

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom 5:5, And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1Jo 2:3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, we are not under the law as concerning condemnation.

As concerning obedience:

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom 5:5, And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1Jo 2:3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Another thing I believe important to point out from John in 1 John 3:22-24,

"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

John is not teaching the Law for salvation here, just as you are not teaching the Law for salvation. John is showing us the exact same thing you are showing us, JBF, that the Commandments are kept in the believer through faith in Christ, who has already kept the commandments!

Some things are difficult to understand for some, but you my Brother have been given this knowledge. He who will hear will hear!

If they don't hear you have done your part expected of you, let it go, my Brother!

 

[justbyfaith]

Another thing I believe important to point out from John in 1 John 3:22-24,

"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

John is not teaching the Law for salvation here, just as you are not teaching the Law for salvation. John is showing us the exact same thing you are showing us, JBF, that the Commandments are kept in the believer through faith in Christ, who has already kept the commandments!

Some things are difficult to understand for some, but you my Brother have been given this knowledge. He who will hear will hear!

If they don't hear you have done your part expected of you, let it go, my Brother!

I would point out concerning your statements the following.

1Jo 5:2, By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


There is a singular commandment to believe on the name of Jesus and to love one another; the latter thing is fulfilled when we:

Don't commit adultery with our neighbor's wife,

Don't kill our neighbor,

Don't steal from our neighbor,

Don't bear false witness against our neighbor,

Don't covet our neighbor's belongings,

and,

When we don't violate any other law concerning our neighbor.

(Romans 13:8-10).

So, then, love one another is fulfilled when we obey the ten.

Now, of course, Jesus stepped this up a notch in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and spoke of proactive ways to love your neighbor; that have not only to do with the "thou shalt not's" but with things that we ought to do in the proactive sense of what it means to love other people. Such as giving alms to the poor and not drawing attention to yourself in the doing of that.

 

[Charlie24]

I would point out concerning your statements the following.

1Jo 5:2, By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


There is a singular commandment to believe on the name of Jesus and to love one another; the latter thing is fulfilled when we:

Don't commit adultery with our neighbor's wife,

Don't kill our neighbor,

Don't steal from our neighbor,

Don't bear false witness against our neighbor,

Don't covet our neighbor's belongings,

and,

When we don't violate any other law concerning our neighbor.

(Romans 13:8-10).

So, then, love one another is fulfilled when we obey the ten.

Now, of course, Jesus stepped this up a notch in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and spoke of proactive ways to love your neighbor; that have not only to do with the "thou shalt not's" but with things that we ought to do in the proactive sense of what it means to love other people. Such as giving alms to the poor and not drawing attention to yourself in the doing of that.

And we obey the ten by faith in Christ, which is not by our ability or effort but by the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. He is the One who fulfills the Commandments in us by faith.

Fallen man cannot please the Father in his efforts, He is pleased when we yield to the Spirit and follow Him in all things.

This is walking in the Spirit as Paul spoke of!

 

[Grandpa]

You have misinterpreted this scripture and are also leading others astray by what you are teaching about it.

Aren't you the one that said the l10 commandments is what shows us our sin?

And the ministration of death written on stones...

I think you need to read it again a couple more times. Maybe you forgot what it says?

James 2:10-11 in case you were foggy...

 

[Grandpa]

If we are led of the Spirit, we are not under the law as concerning condemnation.

We are under the law to Christ as concerning obedience (1 Corinthians 9:21)...or at least, Paul was.

We need to take all of scripture into account in our assessment of its message to us.

The law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6) as concerning obedience.

Those who are led of the Spirit become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (Galatians 5:22-23, Romans 8:4); but if they blow it, they are not under condemnation (Romans 4:5).

I would suggest looking up the scriptures (in the kjv, from which I am communicating them) to see whether they truly substantiate what I am saying.

Be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11).

There is no way that the law that we are dead to and that condemns us is the same law that is written on our hearts.

It MUST be a different law.

The Law of Liberty... Gods Law... Love, Peace, Patience, Faith, Joy,... etc...



What we are obedient to is the Gospel of Christ. Which is rest from our own works of the law (pretend righteousness) and Faith in the Lords actual Works of Righteousness.

 

[Grandpa]

That is not the context of Romans 8:2.

It absolutely is.

 

[justbyfaith]

And we obey the ten by faith in Christ, which is not by our ability or effort but by the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. He is the One who fulfills the Commandments in us by faith.

Fallen man cannot please the Father in his efforts, He is pleased when we yield to the Spirit and follow Him in all things.

This is walking in the Spirit as Paul spoke of!

I would agree with you there for the most part;

However, I would also say that looking into the perfect law of liberty and continuing in it, is not going to bring a curse if in doing so, you understand that you have already been justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. In such a situation, it will instead bring a blessing (James 1:25).

For if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9)

We can know when we are not measuring up to God's standard of righteousness any time we see that we are violating any law of holy scripture; and see in His word that we are violating it.

That being said, I will not deny (I affirm) that our means of being obedient to the reality of what the law requires is not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the pattern of the law) but through receiving the Holy Spirit by faith and by walking according to that Spirit.

It is truly as we are reduced to love that we will find ourselves to be a holy people that does not sin.

While if we do sin, for that we are violating love, it is the law of the Lord that will bring to bear on our conscience the fact that we have sinned.

And it is not that, if we sin, we are thereby condemned when the Holy Spirit convicts as as having sinned utilizing the law. For we are forgiven even when we blow it according to Romans 4:5. It is for the sanctification of the believer who is already irreversibly justified that the Holy Spirit pinpoints sin in that believer's life so that he can confess it and be cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9). It is so that he might have an effectual witness that the Lord is working in his heart so that sin is being removed day by day (Philemon 1:6).

And also, the Lord prefers to do most of the work on earth that He is doing in order to make a person fit for heaven. When we stand before the Lord and if there is sin found in us at that point, there is a scourging that we are going to have to receive (Hebrews 12:6) in order to be purged from the sin that remains in us; which we have held back from the Lord and have not surrendered to Him.

 

[justbyfaith]

It absolutely is.

James 2:10-12 is certainly not in the immediate context of Romans 8:2.

So, the burden of proof is on you to show that it is the topical context.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is no way that the law that we are dead to and that condemns us is the same law that is written on our hearts.

It MUST be a different law.

The Law of Liberty... Gods Law... Love, Peace, Patience, Faith, Joy,... etc...



What we are obedient to is the Gospel of Christ. Which is rest from our own works of the law (pretend righteousness) and Faith in the Lords actual Works of Righteousness.

In Jeremiah 31:33 is the passage that is quoted in Hebrews 8:8-10 and in Hebrews 10:16.

And in Jeremiah 31:33 there is only one law that can be being spoken of: the ten commandments. Because Galatians 5:22-23 was not yet written when Jeremiah made his prophecy.

I realize that it will take some time for you to be able to see this on your own reading time. So, I will wait patiently for the seeds planted to become a plant that flourishes and produces fruit.

 

[justbyfaith]

Aren't you the one that said the l10 commandments is what shows us our sin?

And the ministration of death written on stones...

I think you need to read it again a couple more times. Maybe you forgot what it says?

James 2:10-11 in case you were foggy...

I see how you omitted verse 12...yet verse 12 is very important.

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[Gardenias]

Prov 16:18 PRIDE goeth before destruction and a HAUGHTY spirit before a fall.

I so see this for some here.
Humility is greater and receives a greater blessing.
Be aware God can and will take you down as he sees fit.

 

[justbyfaith]

bump

 

[Grandpa]

In Jeremiah 31:33 is the passage that is quoted in Hebrews 8:8-10 and in Hebrews 10:16.

And in Jeremiah 31:33 there is only one law that can be being spoken of: the ten commandments. Because Galatians 5:22-23 was not yet written when Jeremiah made his prophecy.

I realize that it will take some time for you to be able to see this on your own reading time. So, I will wait patiently for the seeds planted to become a plant that flourishes and produces fruit.

It doesn't say anything about 10 commandments. It is God talking about putting His Law into our minds and hearts.

2 Corinthians 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

That's the 10 commandments this is talking about...

 

[Grandpa]

I see how you omitted verse 12...yet verse 12 is very important.

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

So you agree then?

Not sure how this is relevant...

Unless you just like to get in your false talking points from time to time. Like fake news...