Our new relationship to the law.

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eternally-gratefull said:
No you don't

You still think you can keep it.

You no different than the pharisees
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The Bible says that if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us.

I suggest that you memorize Romans 8:4.

Understand that this is concerning the spirit of the law rather than the letter (Romans 7:6).

Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
 
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op: our NEW relationship to the law?

Huh? I am NOT "under the law" (Rom 6:14-15; Gal 5:18) Praise God - He Gave me
Life, By Establishing A NEW And ETERNAL Relationship WITH Him! Amen?

Therefore, I am NOT RELATED to the law, But, ETERNALLY Related To God AND HIS GRACE! Hallelujah!!

Praise My Father's and Brother's Wonderful Names, Abba, And LORD JESUS!!!​
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According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.

And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.

While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:22, Romans 3:20).

As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:22).

The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;

while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;

Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).

As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).

This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.

Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.

Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).

That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).

For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
 
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Grandpa said:
Who is it that WORKS iniquity but those who WORK at the Law?

I'm sure in their own mind they THINK they are obedient. But they never are.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Rest from what? From your work at the law and your iniquity.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.


We don't have any righteousness according to the law. Our only Righteousness, and our only hope, is in Christ.
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Rom 8:4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

In Romans 3:21, we find that there is a righteousness apart from the law, that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets, that it is righteousness indeed.
 
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Precious friend, then do you also know @eternally-gratefull, who severely Disagrees with @justbyfaith about "works"? Would you Then judge him as
"walking in the flesh"?

Or: Is It Not God's Operation To: "JUDGE" us?

Be Encouraged...
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If he sided with @eternally-gratefull, would he not then be judging me as "walking in the flesh"?

I think that @eternally-gratefull, simply doesn't understand the side of the coin in the gospel, that I have been preaching on.

He is just being weaned off of milk.

He is not yet ready for the meat of the word...such as doctrines about sanctification.

I don't judge his salvation...however, I do believe that he is what is spoken of here in verse 13; which is contrasted to what I am wanting to get him to be, in verse 14.

Heb 5:13, For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14, But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
 
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According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.

And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.

While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:22, Romans 3:20).

As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:22).
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*1 Corinthians 9:21*

The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;

while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;

Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).

As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).

This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.

Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.

Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).

That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).

For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
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justbyfaith said:
According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.

And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.

While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:22, Romans 3:20).

As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:22).

The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;

while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;

Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).

As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).

This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.

Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.

Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).

That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).

For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
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You have nailed as well as I have ever seen it nailed! It takes a very thorough study to understand the believers relationship with the Law as you have shown here! Great work, JBF!
 
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justbyfaith said:
Yes, one sin makes you guilty; and you are to speak and behave as those who will be judged by the law.
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We are not under law we are under grace

Look to Jesus not to Moses
 
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justbyfaith said:
The Bible says that if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us.

I suggest that you memorize Romans 8:4.

Understand that this is concerning the spirit of the law rather than the letter (Romans 7:6).

Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
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Walk after the spirit

Not after the law

Your to focused on the ministry of death. Focus on God and his love being poured out on you

Thats hw you walk after the spirit
 
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You have nailed as well as I have ever seen it nailed! It takes a very thorough study to understand the believers relationship with the Law as you have shown here! Great work, JBF!
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He knows nothing about the law

He is trying to put us back under it.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
He knows nothing about the law

He is trying to put us back under it.
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He has shown you how the Father sees you as a Law keeper through faith in what Christ has done for us.

It has to do with the "righteousness" of the Law, not the doing of the Law. It's the righteousness of the Law freely given to you by faith in Christ, which is carried out in real time in the believers life by the Holy Spirit.
 
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He has shown you how the Father sees you as a Law keeper through faith in what Christ has done for us.

It has to do with the "righteousness" of the Law, not the doing of the Law. It's the righteousness of the Law freely given to you by faith in Christ, which is carried out in real time in the believers life by the Holy Spirit.
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No he has not shown me anything

What he has shown is how he wants to it people back under law. And keep them focused on self and not on Christ.

Who are you anyway> Did he call yu to bring you in here because no one is buying into his stuff?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No he has not shown me anything

What he has shown is how he wants to it people back under law. And keep them focused on self and not on Christ.

Who are you anyway> Did he call yu to bring you in here because no one is buying into his stuff?
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LOL! I'm nobody, the least of the servants of Christ, and NO he did not send for me, I just happened by.

I'm sorry you can't see it eternally-grateful! What he has shown you is the truth from the Word of God.
 
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Precious friend, then do you also know @eternally-gratefull, who severely Disagrees with @justbyfaith about "works"? Would you Then judge him as "walking in the flesh"?

Or: Is It Not God's Operation To: "JUDGE" us?

Be Encouraged...
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justbyfaith said:
I am certainly also not preaching salvation by works.
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Wow, ask your friend a simple question about "judgment" and I "get nailed" that I "judged YOU" about "preaching salvation by works." No wonder some people get put on "ignore"...

I simply stated I have NO "relationship" with the law, But a NEW "Relationship With God" here: #655
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I believe Scripture THAT: I Have "FULFILLED ALL the law in ONE Word: LOVE
thy neighbor as" I love myself! (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)

Wow! Imagine THAT: "Simplicity In CHRIST" = ONE Commandment I can OBEY,
Instead of BaZillions of concocted religious Do's and DON'Ts "law" lists, eh?

Despite MY sins, God Still LOVES us BOTH! Correct?

Maybe it's time for me to go (Romans 16:17)...see you in Glory?
 
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LOL! I'm nobody, the least of the servants of Christ, and NO he did not send for me, I just happened by.

I'm sorry you can't see it eternally-grateful! What he has shown you is the truth from the Word of God.
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lol, you show up out of the blue and start praising this man as if he is the next comming of Christ.

And you want me to believe you just happened by.

I am sorry you can’t see it. He does not understand the word of God. His name does not even match what he preaches.. He claims he teaches faith but all he takes about is law and works.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol, you show up out of the blue and start praising this man as if he is the next comming of Christ.

And you want me to believe you just happened by.

I am sorry you can’t see it. He does not understand the word of God. His name does not even match what he preaches.. He claims he teaches faith but all he takes about is law and works.
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I guess it may be hard for you to believe that I just happened by considering the differences you have with JBF, but I really did just happen by.

I've found JBF to be very advanced in the scripture! If you disagree with him I would suggest you study up very carefully before you respond with difference. You may find that he is discussing something of detail you have never considered, and maybe even never heard explained before.
 
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Wow, ask your friend a simple question about "judgment" and I "get nailed" that I "judged YOU" about "preaching salvation by works." No wonder some people get put on "ignore"...

I simply stated I have NO "relationship" with the law, But a NEW "Relationship With God" here: #655
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I believe Scripture THAT: I Have "FULFILLED ALL the law in ONE Word: LOVE
thy neighbor as" I love myself! (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)

Wow! Imagine THAT: "Simplicity In CHRIST" = ONE Commandment I can OBEY,
Instead of BaZillions of concocted religious Do's and DON'Ts "law" lists, eh?

Despite MY sins, God Still LOVES us BOTH! Correct?

Maybe it's time for me to go (Romans 16:17)...see you in Glory?
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You said tnat @eternally-gratefull disagreed with me about works, and you made it clear that you believed his position was correct. I just wanted to make certain that I am not misunderstood as being someone who teaches salvation by works; because I don't.
 
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