The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

[Absolutely]

More ridiculous generalization.

Mr dodge.
Are you willing to address " like manner"

Are you willing to go there.?

So simple.
What an opportunity for you.

You can show me what it means.

What is " like manner" meaning in acts 1?

^^^^^^^open invitation.^^^^^^^

Lets go!

What an opportunity to prove scripture wrong.

Try it.

You can do it....you do it all the time.

 

[Absolutely]

OK i game with that - i have provided the clear Scripture which says pre-trib is a lie

Now you have to bring forth from Scripture alone - no opinions or comments attached.

If you prove me a liar - you win me over to repentance and restoration to the Truth.

Will you accept the CHALLENGE to repent if you cannot PROVE by SCRIPTURE ALONE - pre-trib rapture BEFORE HIS COMING.

i am going to work and cannot respond now - those who know the error of pre-trib can speak while i am gone

Lol
" like manner"

Go!

Use your superior knowledge.

Show me how it fits your deal.

 

[Absolutely]

OK i game with that - i have provided the clear Scripture which says pre-trib is a lie

Now you have to bring forth from Scripture alone - no opinions or comments attached.

If you prove me a liar - you win me over to repentance and restoration to the Truth.

Will you accept the CHALLENGE to repent if you cannot PROVE by SCRIPTURE ALONE - pre-trib rapture BEFORE HIS COMING.

i am going to work and cannot respond now - those who know the error of pre-trib can speak while i am gone

When you dodge. You are admitting you are not honest

 

[peldom10]

First Resurrection at His Coming - He is also bringing His Wrath at His Coming - choose wisely.

No one knows the exact details(timing, duration, etc) of the unfolding of His Coming but we do know that there will NEVER be a rapture prior to His Coming and the First Resurrection = 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Revelation chs19-20

i don't muddy the waters with opinions of men - just stay with "IT IS WRITTEN".

PEACE

You are violating your own adopted creed. Revise it to be accurate.
Better yet, study God's word and His intent rather than wasting time on trying to change it in violation of scriptures.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You will not go there.

And sadly we both know you can't

Right. Sadly, everyone knows you CANNOT "go there", that is, provide a verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven.

Why? Because you know there aren't any.

So why do you act like there are verses?

 

[FreeGrace2]

When you dodge. You are admitting you are not honest

Well, since you've continued to DODGE providing any verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven, I guess that means you are admitting your own dishonesty.

 

[DavidTree]

Hi! About to make a point:


How did you know it was not true? your common sense?

God Bless

Are you a JW?

 

[DavidTree]

Lol

Dear lord.
That is the point mr dodge.

The Lord is IN THE AIR.BEFORE THE RESURRECTION

HELLO??????

You just proved your. Rev 20 deal is impossible.

Do you really think those on thrones are the 1st resurrection????

THEY are exclusively killed by the ac.

So your boggus deal has left out all those dead in christ that have died for 2000 years.

To further debunk your deal 1 thes 4 says " we which are alive and remain meet them in the air"

Rev 20 first resurrection??????

I just destroyed that notion.

But dodge it mr dodge.

Pretend you have traction.

Calm down, breathe and take it one step at a time - What point do you want to make???

Take a Scripture a point out what you see and how you see it as pre-trib rapture.

I always said Christ comes in/on the Clouds to first Resurrect the Saints who HE is bringing with Him.

 

[DavidTree]

You are violating your own adopted creed. Revise it to be accurate.
Better yet, study God's word and His intent rather than wasting time on trying to change it in violation of scriptures.

Not picking up on your point - please explain - Thank You

 

[DavidTree]

Yes.

A babe in christ with a bible can destroy false doctrine.

They change the subject and dodge. That tells you right there they are not even honest with themselves.

It is in saul alenski's book " rules for radicals"
It says in their book that in a debate you dodge and go after them. Take the debate outside any substance and try to discredit them or their message.

That book, in the preface, is dedicated to lucifer.

We see that here.
None of them will honestly debate.

All the substance is with the pretribbers. We OPENLY invite them to scripturally unpack our verses.

If you want a good laugh, watch the unbelievable dance they do with the 10 virgin parable.
It is hilarious what they do with the components.

We are all waiting now, for the past three months for just one pre-trib rapture scripture - just one.

I have continually posted the clear post trib scriptures - Matt 24, 1 Thess 4, 2 Thess 2 , 1 John 2:14-18, 1 Tim 4:1, Revelation 6,7,14,19,20

 

[arpon]

It has been strongly suggested that the "falling away" as spoken by the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 is the pre-trib rapture.
We who are His Body, as Belonging to Christ, must know the His answer from His Word so as not to be decieved.

When the Disciples asked our Lord Jesus Christ about His Return(the Second Coming) He gave this immediate Commandment & Warning.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. - Matthew 24: 3-4

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thess 2:1-4

The Apostle Paul combines the clear warning of the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 with His Second Coming and the "Falling Away".

So is the "falling away" = the departure in the form of a pre-trib rapture or is it a "falling away" a departure from truth = the Gospel?

Human opinion alone on this important subject is not valid - Please confirm one way or the other with Scripture.

I make this Challenge for TRUTH = Prove it by the word of Two or Three Authoritative Witnesses = Matthew 18:16

Dear Friend, I want to know something about 2 thes 2:1-2-Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Here it never says Jesus will take his people out from this earth. It just states that we will be With Jesus. And we know that Jesus will come to this earth not flee from it. So why do people think that Jesus will take away his people from this earth? (is this assumption based on truth or imagination?), I really don't know, will you help me please?

 

[DavidTree]

Dear Friend, I want to know something about 2 thes 2:1-2-Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Here it never says Jesus will take his people out from this earth. It just states that we will be With Jesus. And we know that Jesus will come to this earth not flee from it. So why do people think that Jesus will take away his people from this earth? (is this assumption based on truth or imagination?), I really don't know, will you help me please?

i am working now and can better reply later - can you read this for now - 1 Timothy 4:1 and 1 John 2:14-18

Compare those with 2 Thess 2:1-12

PEACE

 

[FreeGrace2]

Dear Friend, I want to know something about 2 thes 2:1-2-Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Here it never says Jesus will take his people out from this earth. It just states that we will be With Jesus. And we know that Jesus will come to this earth not flee from it. So why do people think that Jesus will take away his people from this earth? (is this assumption based on truth or imagination?), I really don't know, will you help me please?

There are no verses that show Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven. So it's an assumption only.

2 Thess 2:1-3 clearly place the rapture (our being gathered to Him) AT the Second Advent.

 

[DavidTree]

RE READ IT.
the martyrs are UNDER THE ALTAR
NOT IN THE GENERAL POPULATION

WE SEE THE INNUMERABLE NUMBER IN THE GENERAL POPULATION

But postrib rapture workbook overlooks about 20 of those game changers.

What did God say to us about the 'general population' -

Answer: "Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."

 

[DavidTree]

Dear Friend, I want to know something about 2 thes 2:1-2-Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Here it never says Jesus will take his people out from this earth. It just states that we will be With Jesus. And we know that Jesus will come to this earth not flee from it. So why do people think that Jesus will take away his people from this earth? (is this assumption based on truth or imagination?), I really don't know, will you help me please?

The Apostle Paul wrote 2 Thessalonians - so lets go to 1 Thessalonians as this is important to answering your question.

Easy to read and short - today/tonight read 1 Thessalonians and we can share.

 

[peldom10]

i am working now and can better reply later - can you read this for now - 1 Timothy 4:1 and 1 John 2:14-18

Compare those with 2 Thess 2:1-12

PEACE

KJV

1Tim. 4;1 .....

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Has nothing to do with the Tribulation period.

1 John 2; 14-18.......
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

None of your offered support relates to the Trib. period.

Why did you use those references to support your position relating to the Trib. period?

They do not.

 

[DavidTree]

KJV

1Tim. 4;1 .....

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Has nothing to do with the Tribulation period.

1 John 2; 14-18.......
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

None of your offered support relates to the Trib. period.

Why did you use those references to support your position relating to the Trib. period?

They do not.

They have everything to do with it - everything.
And they are self explanatory.
Latter times - falling away/departing from truth - doctrines of devils - Antichrist - world passes away - obey God and LIVE4EVER

 

[Absolutely]

What did God say to us about the 'general population' -

Answer: "Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."

Before they were under the altar
the innumerable number are not

very simple

you could have addressed it.
but no
you never do.

 

[Absolutely]

Lol
" like manner"

Go!

Use your superior knowledge.

Show me how it fits your deal.

Mr dodge

callng mr dodge

are you gonna address it????

 

[Absolutely]

We are all waiting now, for the past three months for just one pre-trib rapture scripture - just one.

I have continually posted the clear post trib scriptures - Matt 24, 1 Thess 4, 2 Thess 2 , 1 John 2:14-18, 1 Tim 4:1, Revelation 6,7,14,19,20

we have listed them
stop lying mr dodge