A Double Standard in Christianity?
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when in the history of the world has womanhood been determined by height?
the head of woman--that is speaking of the marital relationship. Don't you realize that the church is called 'Bride of Christ'? Christ is the head of ALL. If a woman is widowed has nothing to do with this verse--what nonsense.-
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Justbyfaith said: "Well, maybe I would do better to tell you that I have an unction from the holy one (1 John 2:20) and therefore know all things...especially the truth from a lie."
I am done--normal Christians do not make such bizarre proclamations--it sounds like something a cult leader would say...
This is an awkward question. Would it not be better "Having gone through your Bible, did you not become intolerant to certain verses?"
No I am not a versist! I do not pick one verse to obey and another to ignore. Like, say, 1 Cor 11:1-3 to ignore.
This is also an awkward question. Would it not be better "Why don't you cite Scripture that support claims of post modernist feminism within the church in the early centuries, of which you are opposed?"
No need.
1) the onus is on you to supply the evidence as you are the one trying to convince me with your eloquent words.
2) I do not do Scholarship for claims made by the opposing view point. Giving ammunition to argumentative ideologues so one can argue more seems a bit counterproductive. Are you trying manufacture consent?
3) The evidence for female pastors are not compelling enough to cite.
4) Teaching a radical is kind of fruitless.
What you think of me is of no importance. This is actually the first time we have met. You are stranger with a very strange spirit. So nothing to see or hear.
(foro ne) sp. I will certainly read your post, but from the experience of this interaction I don't think anything you might say will change my mind.
This is not a safe space. I am not one of your soldiers. Do you have fascist tendencies?
I will certainly consider your request, though!
I am TERF!
No I am not a versist! I do not pick one verse to obey and another to ignore. Like, say, 1 Cor 11:1-3 to ignore.
This is also an awkward question. Would it not be better "Why don't you cite Scripture that support claims of post modernist feminism within the church in the early centuries, of which you are opposed?"
No need.
1) the onus is on you to supply the evidence as you are the one trying to convince me with your eloquent words.
2) I do not do Scholarship for claims made by the opposing view point. Giving ammunition to argumentative ideologues so one can argue more seems a bit counterproductive. Are you trying manufacture consent?
3) The evidence for female pastors are not compelling enough to cite.
4) Teaching a radical is kind of fruitless.
What you think of me is of no importance. This is actually the first time we have met. You are stranger with a very strange spirit. So nothing to see or hear.
(foro ne) sp. I will certainly read your post, but from the experience of this interaction I don't think anything you might say will change my mind.
This is not a safe space. I am not one of your soldiers. Do you have fascist tendencies?
I will certainly consider your request, though!
I am TERF!
when in the history of the world has womanhood been determined by height? the head of woman--that is speaking of the marital relationship. Don't you realize that the church is called 'Bride of Christ'? Christ is the head of ALL. If a woman is widowed has nothing to do with this verse--what nonsense.
the head of woman--that is speaking of the marital relationship. Don't you realize that the church is called 'Bride of Christ'? Christ is the head of ALL. If a woman is widowed has nothing to do with this verse--what nonsense.
Your context is self serving. The church is the bride. Christ is not the head of husbands. Did you not have a father as child? Was he not the man who took you to church.
Your context not mine. The definition of a widow is a married women whose husband had passed. (marriage = state of being married). Are you defending your context , marriage?
Nonsense is when you are masquerading your ideologies as Scriptural understanding.
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God cursed the serpent, and He cursed the ground. He did not curse the man or the woman.
In general, women are more in tune with their emotions than men. That doesn't make them more spiritual, nor does it make them more likely to accept a doctrine because it seems to be spiritually viable. That's ridiculous.
Dead wrong.
That doesn't follow from your wrongheaded ideas above.
In general, women are more in tune with their emotions than men. That doesn't make them more spiritual, nor does it make them more likely to accept a doctrine because it seems to be spiritually viable. That's ridiculous.
Dead wrong.
That doesn't follow from your wrongheaded ideas above.
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Are you speaking history or scriptures? Your context is self serving.
The church is the bride. Christ is not the head of husbands. Did you not have a father as child? Was he not the man who took you to church.
Your context not mine. The definition of a widow is a married women whose husband had passed. (marriage = state of being married). Are you defending your context , marriage?
Nonsense is when you are masquerading your ideologies as Scriptural understanding.
Your context is self serving.The church is the bride. Christ is not the head of husbands. Did you not have a father as child? Was he not the man who took you to church.
Your context not mine. The definition of a widow is a married women whose husband had passed. (marriage = state of being married). Are you defending your context , marriage?
Nonsense is when you are masquerading your ideologies as Scriptural understanding.
Please become familiar with the rest of my posts on this forum--I'm not sure what ideology you're talking about. You would need to read my posts here to ascertain that.
As to what you said above --I'm not understanding it or your previous post. I think I won't engage with you further as you sound angry and in some things, aren't making reasonable arguments in which to respond.
You have demonstrated your scholarship in previous OPs, so you will forgive me if I don't believe you.
I will certainly look into this, time permitting. Send me the paper which discusses it if you will. But for now I think I will trust the majority of translations which use "man" and "woman". I certainly will keep an eye out for ES and NRSV bible - for what not to reference.
I will certainly look into this, time permitting. Send me the paper which discusses it if you will. But for now I think I will trust the majority of translations which use "man" and "woman". I certainly will keep an eye out for ES and NRSV bible - for what not to reference.
Are you speaking history or scriptures? Your context is self serving.
The church is the bride. Christ is not the head of husbands. Did you not have a father as child? Was he not the man who took you to church.
Your context not mine. The definition of a widow is a married women whose husband had passed. (marriage = state of being married). Are you defending your context , marriage?
Nonsense is when you are masquerading your ideologies as Scriptural understanding.
Your context is self serving. The church is the bride. Christ is not the head of husbands. Did you not have a father as child? Was he not the man who took you to church.
Your context not mine. The definition of a widow is a married women whose husband had passed. (marriage = state of being married). Are you defending your context , marriage?
Nonsense is when you are masquerading your ideologies as Scriptural understanding.
Steve,
What is getting a 'thumbs down' is the mindset, not the scriptures themselves. It seems a whole misguided doctrine has been built around this and a handful of similar sounding verses. The bible must be looked at as a whole since all Christian fanaticism comes from the isolation of verses.
Conjectures? I'd like to know what conjectures you're speaking of? The vast majority of my posts are scripture verses, a commentary by Adam Clarke and a video by a pastor who lays out both sides of the argument in simple language.
You know it gets to a point where Christians need to, alongside reading the Scripture--exercise common sense. One of the first things one learns in exegesis is context. Who is the author's audience? For example, Paul is often addressing, aside from theological truths, issues that a particular church was dealing with. I'm gobsmacked how much doctrine regarding a women's role in the church orbits around one single verse in 1st Timothy.
