Why did God need to become Man?

[Nehemiah6]

There are many cultists who vehemently deny that the Lord Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man. Obviously they do not really understand the reasons why it was necessary for God to become Man. So we need to address this from Scripture (and everything stated here can be backed up with Scripture):

1. Mankind was created in the image of God in order to have eternal fellowship with God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

2. Because of Adam’s sin mankind was separated from God, and without the New Birth no one can see or enter into the Kingdom of God.

3. Because God is absolutely holy and righteous, sin not only led to physical death, but would also lead to the Second Death -- eternal separation from God.

4. God has no pleasure in the the death of the wicked, nor in the eternal damnation of any human being. Hell (the Lake of Fire) was created for the devil and his angels.

5. But the only way for God to be reconciled to mankind would be for the sin debt of the whole world to be paid in full. Obviously no human being could pay this debt.

6. But because of God’s mercy, grace, and love, God chose to provide a remedy through His Son. The Lord Jesus Christ -- the Lamb of God -- would by Himself pay the full penalty for “the sin of the world” by the sacrifice of Himself (an offering to God the Father).

7. Because Jesus of Nazareth was fully God and fully sinless Man, He could not only suffer and die on behalf of every sinner, but He could also rise again from the dead after three days and three nights. And that is exactly what He did.

8. So the reason why God had to become Man was to remove the sin barrier between God and mankind, and at the same time destroy the power of sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan at the cross. The resurrection of Christ was evidence that this had been accomplished.

9. However, only those who repent (turn away from their sins and idols) and believe wholeheartedly that Jesus is God who died for their sins and rose again for their justification will be reconciled to God and receive the gift of eternal life. They will also experience the New Birth when they receive Christ into their souls as Lord and Savior.

10. God offers salvation freely to “whosoever” will obey the Gospel. But those who do not obey the Gospel will be damned. So if you have not obeyed the Gospel, God now commands you to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

"Why did God need to become Man?"

The presence of God is so Powerful, so overwhelming, that in order for Him to walk and talk with us, He would need to strip Himself of that Power, lest we die (because of it).

 

[Nehemiah6]

He would need to strip Himself of that Power, lest we die (because of it).

Christ did not strip Himself of His power, but He did lay aside His glory. Not a day went by when Jesus did not perform some miracle. And as John tells it, it would be impossible to record all the things which Christ did.

Christ said: But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you. (Luke 11:20)

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Christ did not strip Himself of His power, but He did lay aside His glory. Not a day went by when Jesus did not perform some miracle. And as John tells it, it would be impossible to record all the things which Christ did.

Christ said: But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you. (Luke 11:20)

What is [your] definition of Glory?

 

[Nehemiah6]

What is [your] definition of Glory?

Christ is the brightness of God's glory, but that was only displayed once on earth:

LUKE 9: THE TRANSFIGURATION OF CHRIST (THE DISPLAY OF HIS GLORY)
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw His [Christ's] glory, and the two men that stood with him.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Christ is the brightness of God's glory, but that was only displayed once on earth:

LUKE 9: THE TRANSFIGURATION OF CHRIST (THE DISPLAY OF HIS GLORY)
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw His [Christ's] glory, and the two men that stood with him.

Apologies . . . I am extremely busy and admit that I responded as I did . . . too quickly.

Christ is the physical image of God, but the Power of Christ was certainly restricted, for we are told that no one could face God and live. The Israelites were told to stay away from the Mountain of God, lest they die.

The mere Presence of God is overwhelming and human flesh cannot endure it. Would you accept this "argument?" And, I use the word "argument" lightly, as I'm not here to argue or even convince anyone of anything. I'm here to be a friend to all who are here. I am here with a gentle heart towards you all.

 

[Webers.Home]

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To be honest; none of this makes any sense to me whatsoever.

For example: the Bible says that Jesus was put on schedule to be crucified
even before the very first piece of the earth was created and assembled. In
other words; God saw well in advance that mankind would become so
degenerate that only the sacrifice of His own son could protect them from an
eternal fate in simmering brimstone; and even then, not all would be
rescued; which reminds me of a line from the movie AVATAR spoken by
Colonel Miles Quaritch, played by Stephen Lang, that goes like this:

"It is my job to keep you alive. I will not succeed . . not with all of you."

I cannot fathom why a supposedly intelligent God, a God of love no less,
would proceed to create a race of fragile beings knowing in advance that the
majority of them would end up lost in spite of His best efforts.

• Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and
broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But
small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find
it.

• Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.
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[2ndTimothyGroup]

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To be honest; none of this makes any sense to me whatsoever.

For example: the Bible says that Jesus was put on schedule to be crucified
even before the very first piece of the earth was created and assembled. In
other words; God saw well in advance that mankind would become so
degenerate that only the sacrifice of His own son could protect them from an
eternal fate in simmering brimstone; and even then, not all would be
rescued; which reminds me of a line from the movie AVATAR spoken by
Colonel Miles Quaritch, played by Stephen Lang, that goes like this:

"It is my job to keep you alive. I will not succeed . . not with all of you."

I cannot fathom why a supposedly intelligent God, a God of love no less,
would proceed to create a race of fragile beings knowing in advance that the
majority of them would end up lost in spite of His best efforts.

• Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and
broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But
small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find
it.

• Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.
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Agreed. I've never heard a single pastor preach on the below text, which clarifies your point altogether.

Isaiah 34:15-17 NIV - "The owl will nest there and lay eggs, she will hatch them, and care for her young under the shadow of her wings; there also the falcons will gather, each with its mate. 16 Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together. 17 He allots their portions; his hand distributes them by measure. They will possess it forever and dwell there from generation to generation."

The Scroll of the Lord determines what takes place in all creation.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I suppose that the better answer than the one that I had before would be this:

The Lord has an Eternal Plan, and that Plan revolved around the sending of Jesus to become the final sacrifice that made people Right with God.

Romans 3:25-26 NLT - "For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus."

Our Patriarchs waited in Sheol for the Day of Christ, to pay the debt for their sins. However, they were Purified of the Sinful Nature by the Spiritual Hands of Christ, He then granted them the ability to Repent, and lastly, He sent them the Holy Spirit so that they could be taught and Led by Him. Hence, the Patriarchs were viewed by Christ as Blameless, Righteous, and Pure. But it wasn't until the debt for sin that was paid that they were made Right with God.

Jesus was sent to earth as the final Atonement, all pre-determined by the Scroll of the Lord and enforced by the Spirit. This Sacrifice of Christ took away the need for animals to die, taking the Curse placed upon man and passing it off to the animal. Life for life; blood for blood.

 

[Magenta]

But it wasn't until the debt for sin that was paid that they were made Right with God.

Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6

 

[walknlight]

"Why did God need to become Man?"
(Eph 1:10) That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 

[SomeDisciple]

It's actually a pretty big deal- him becoming a man. The Spirit of God cannot be tempted... for him to create us and make us subject to temptation and then judge us without having experienced it himself would be... not so great, in my opinion.

But he did subject himself to it- but not just to judge man! Instead he became the High Priest of those who would believe! That's pretty cool if you ask me.

 

[posthuman]

we will be changed, because we are hid in Him. we will be like Him, but we do not yet know what that will be: it is a mystery for today
((1 Cor. 15:51, Col. 3:3, 1 John 3:2))

i presume part of His having taken on humanity is in order to accomplish that thing He intends, so that we may be found in Him - having died with Him, also living with Him & in Him

 

[posthuman]

Christ is the brightness of God's glory, but that was only displayed once on earth:

LUKE 9: THE TRANSFIGURATION OF CHRIST (THE DISPLAY OF HIS GLORY)
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw His [Christ's] glory, and the two men that stood with him.

more than once!

In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne,
high and lifted up, and His train filled the temple!
(Isaiah 6:1)

the priests could not stand to minister by reason of The Cloud:
for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God!
(2 Chronicles 5:14)

as Aaron was speaking to the whole congregation of Israel, they looked toward the desert,
and there in a cloud the glory of the LORD appeared!
(Exodus 13:21)

the glory which I had with Thee before the world was
(John 17:5)​

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The Spirit of God cannot be tempted... for him to create us and make us subject to temptation and then judge us without having experienced it himself would be... not so great, in my opinion.

This is an extremely interesting idea . . . I appreciate it.

 

[Magenta]

Did He need to, or did He want to?

God does everything for His glory.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

GOD gave man freedom to make a choice and man made his choice which was disobedient to what GOD said to them,nevertheless GOD did not abandon man but set out to redeem man,RIGHTEOUSLY and the law was added because of transgression of the WORD of GOD.JESUS was sent to earth as a man to take away the dEvils power which was man being weak because of the flesh although man delighted In GOD after the Inward man he saw another law warring against the law of his mind and bringing him Into captivity to the law of sin which was In his flesh.
Romans 5:12-15
King James Version

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
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[2ndTimothyGroup]

GOD gave man freedom to make a choice and man made his choice which was disobedient to what GOD said to them

I hear what you're "saying." These are difficult things for me to wrap my head around, as we have verses such as below. How can we make the two opposing ideas be true?

Ephesians 3:11 NLT - "This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."
John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."

The Scripture above says that there is an Eternal Plan, which always thwarts our own, and then we are told that we don't choose, but it is God who does the choosing. And then we have the following:

Exodus 33:19 NKJV - "Then He said, "I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

What do you think? My mind is completely wide open to ideas. Thank you so much!

 

[Webers.Home]

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But the only way for God to be reconciled to mankind would be for the sin
debt of the whole world to be paid in full. Obviously no human being
could pay this debt.

God can't pay this debt either because the wages of sin is death. Well; I
think we can all agree that God can't die because His life is eternal; which is
a kind of life that's impervious to death. And besides; were God to die; who
would bring Him back?

I think it's lots more accurate to say that no ordinary human being could pay
this debt; it had to one that is uniquely different than all the rest and yet still
be their fellow man.

This is where Jesus becomes somewhat controversial because it is very easy
to prove that he's David's biological progeny, and if David's then of course
Adam's-- a fact that pretty much forces us to figure out how Jesus Christ
could be depicted as a lamb without spot or blemish while at the same time
descending from the source of original sin and the so-called fallen nature.
_

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

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God can't pay this debt either because the wages of sin is death. Well; I
think we can all agree that God can't die because His life is eternal; which is
a kind of life that's impervious to death. And besides; were God to die; who
would bring Him back?

I think it's lots more accurate to say that no ordinary human being could pay
this debt; it had to one that is uniquely different than all the rest and yet still
be their fellow man.

This is where Jesus becomes somewhat controversial because it is very easy
to prove that he's David's biological progeny, and if David's then of course
Adam's-- a fact that pretty much forces us to figure out how Jesus Christ
could be depicted as a lamb without spot or blemish while at the same time
descending from the source of original sin and the so-called fallen nature.
_

I like what you wrote . . . a lot. However, God [did] pay the debt. Point number 7 from Nehemiah6 is that Jesus is fully God. According to the pre-written Eternal Plan, God would offer Himself for the Curse that He placed upon creation.

"7. Because Jesus of Nazareth was fully God and fully sinless Man, He could not only suffer and die on behalf of every sinner, but He could also rise again from the dead after three days and three nights. And that is exactly what He did."

Galatians 3:13 NLT - "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

I used the NLT translation above because all others state that the Law was a Curse. That's crazy . . . the Law was Righteous and Holy. Nothing can be Righteous and Holy yet be Cursed by God at the same time.

Romans 7:12 NIV - "So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good."