The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

[DavidTree]

Hi
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Not true.....
KJV

King James Bible
Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

"Say not you ?" or "You say, don't you ? " , other than what you are saying, no pun intended
How in the world do you get a commandment from Christ from this?

Follow your own rule... Dont add or take away....

God Bless

Say ye not is the SAME as Do not Say = this is not my interpretation = this is direct from Scripture.

The LORD is instructing us to NOT Say that there are still four more months of harvest.

HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? simple = follow the words of the LORD
Do you not say, ‘There are still four months until the harvest’?
I tell you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are ripe for harvest. = Now is the Harvest = Now/Today

Even if we were to use your phrase - "You say, don't you" - Jesus overides your saying (walknlight) by Him Saying - I TELL you.

Now do you understand? It does not matter what you say - your words, TDW and everyone else has been overthrown by the LORD.

His words = I TELL you = so you better listen to what HE is saying and not add your "maneuvering around it"

 

[DavidTree]

^ I am not seeing the "imperative" [/command] in the first part of this verse under present discussion (as you are suggesting of it) -

https://biblehub.com/text/john/4-35.htm - John 4:35

Good Morning,

The "imperative" is right there in front of you - John 4:5

Two expressions stated: Let's look n SEE

Even if we were to use this phrase - "You say, don't you" - Jesus overides your saying by Him Saying - "I TELL you."

Now do you understand? It does not matter what you say - your words and everyone else has been overthrown by the LORD.

His words = "I TELL you" = so you better listen to what HE is saying and not add any type of maneuvering around it.

 

[Absolutely]

Hey!


World living in "peace"...restrainer taken "out of way", man of sin revealed, dead rise, those who are alive change, caught up together,
chaos, strong delusion....

Do you think we've seen him, man of sin?

God Bless

Probably not.
But remember Obama?

That was an eye opener.

 

[Absolutely]

Hey!


World living in "peace"...restrainer taken "out of way", man of sin revealed, dead rise, those who are alive change, caught up together,
chaos, strong delusion....

Do you think we've seen him, man of sin?

God Bless

Double post

 

[Absolutely]

Since pre-trib never came out of the mouth of God - it is falsehood and divides.

This post of yours #1040, right now, is a prime example.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Why do yo find it so difficult to lay hold of the Eternal Commandment = Duet 4:1-2, Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelation 22:18-19

What you should do is constantly maintain what we are commanded = the word of the LORD = 1 Thess 1:10 , 4:13-18 , 2 Thess 2 , 1 John 2 , 1 Timothy 4:1 , Revelation ch6, 7, 14, 19, 20

Yeah Jesus never said " one taken , one left, therefore be ready


And Jesus never said "... But pray that you may be counted worthy, to escape the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of God"

And Jesus never said "because you have kept the word of my testimony I will keep you from the hour of Temptation that is about to come on the Earth"

Omit them and poooof!!!!
Post-trib Rapture magically appears in their workbook

 

[Absolutely]

FreeGrace2 said:
Then please direct us to the verse that shows Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven.

You know how to tell when someone is lying? It's rather easy.

They KEEP SAYING they did something when they NEVER did it.


Why do you pretend to have a verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven?

We don't have to pretend that you have no verses. It's a clear fact. You have no verses. Just your fantasies.


Describes your theology pretty well.

Here's the thing. If you really did have a verse that shows Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven, you would be quoting it in EVERY post of yours. But you don't. In fact, because there are no such verses, all you can do is fantasize and claim that you have.

"""Here's the thing. If you really did have a verse that shows Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven, you would be quoting it in EVERY post of yours. But you don't. In fact, because there are no such verses, all you can do is fantasize and claim that you have"""

Been there done that. You will not even attempt to defend your doctrine
All you do is generalized " safe" complete baloney.

since you will not engage, you need to go back on ignore where i had you.

Try on our verses or just quit posting your mess.

But no

Just keep doing what you do.

It is all you can.

No intelligent discussion...nothing burger after nothing burger

bye bye
Find someone else to troll

 

[Absolutely]

Did you type all this with a straight face? You know perfectly well that you NEVER posted any verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven.


No, the verses didn't disappear. They NEVER existed.


It happens when the Bible says it happens. 2 Thess 2:1 shows it with the Second Advent.

Rec20:4-6 shows the same thing.


Follow the text it's clear enough.


Why would you ask me this? Of course the resurrection is in the air.

"""Did you type all this with a straight face? You know perfectly well that you NEVER posted any verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven"""

Ridiculous garbage.

Never pays attention.

You know full well i have and yet you troll on in some ridiculous troll mode.

 

[DavidTree]

Yeah Jesus never said " one taken , one left, therefore be ready


And Jesus never said "... But pray that you may be counted worthy, to escape the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of God"

And Jesus never said "because you have kept the word of my testimony I will keep you from the hour of Temptation that is about to come on the Earth"

Omit them and poooof!!!!
Post-trib Rapture magically appears in their workbook

Not one of those verses say 'pre-trib' rapture = keep looking

 

[Absolutely]

Not one of those verses say 'pre-trib' rapture = keep looking

Yeah
Noah and lot were watching and waiting after the judgements as you read into it what is not there.

You have Jesus saying

"... But pray that you may be counted worthy, to Go through the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of God"
(your version that omits "escape")

"because you have kept the word of my testimony I will make you go through the hour of Temptation that is about to come on the Earth"
( your version omits "keep you from")

just keep on omitting and changing versus and your deal will appear to have traction.

Not to anybody that will actually unpack our verses but to those that need eschatology reframed

You need to be honest.
That is where you need to start.

 

[Absolutely]

I know
I know

You literrally can not do it.

I guess your job is very hard.

You go toe to toe with me and watch what happens

You are already busted friend.
That is why you skirt every verse that defeats your error.

Try me

Stop the side show

 

[Absolutely]

My mission is to present truth.
The word of God.

You can hook up...or you can go against the bible.

If so, my job becomes to make you go against the bible.

I can easily do that.

 

[walknlight]

Good Morning,

You also..

His words = "I TELL you" = so you better listen to what HE is saying and not add any type of maneuvering around it.

You changed up.....again...
My apologies, but you are confused and confusing..frustrates the Gospel....

1Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[FreeGrace2]

"""Here's the thing. If you really did have a verse that shows Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven, you would be quoting it in EVERY post of yours. But you don't. In fact, because there are no such verses, all you can do is fantasize and claim that you have"""

Been there done that.

You have never "been there or done that". Not once. Why do you continue to perpetuate such lies?

You will not even attempt to defend your doctrine
All you do is generalized " safe" complete baloney.

I asked you to count how many resurrections are among saved people. And you won't answer.

Acts 24:15 shows there is just one for the saved and one for the lost. Just one each. Got it?

Paul then showed WHEN that single resurrection will occur; "But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him." 1 Cor 15:23

So, when Jesus comes back, "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected.

We know from Rev 20:4-6 this single resurrection of the saved occurs when Jesus comes back at the Second Advent. Also 2 Thess 2:1-3 say the same thing.

So there, I've defended my view from Scripture, unlike yourself.

[UOTE]since you will not engage[/QUOTE]
I just did again. But you just continue to perpetuate your lies.

Try on our verses or just quit posting your mess.

Please give me the single verse that shows Jesus ttaking raptured believers to heaven. Let's start there.

 

[FreeGrace2]

"""Did you type all this with a straight face? You know perfectly well that you NEVER posted any verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven"""

Ridiculous garbage.

Never pays attention.

You know full well i have and yet you troll on in some ridiculous troll mode.

Where is that verse where Jesus takes raptured believerss to heaven? Have you found one yet?

 

[FreeGrace2]

You need to be honest.
That is where you need to start.

Says the guy who claims he has quoted verses showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven but never did.

Why don't you start by being honest and admitting there aren't any such verses?

 

[DavidTree]

Yeah
Noah and lot were watching and waiting after the judgements as you read into it what is not there.

You have Jesus saying

"... But pray that you may be counted worthy, to Go through the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of God"
(your version that omits "escape")

"because you have kept the word of my testimony I will make you go through the hour of Temptation that is about to come on the Earth"
( your version omits "keep you from")

just keep on omitting and changing versus and your deal will appear to have traction.

Not to anybody that will actually unpack our verses but to those that need eschatology reframed

You need to be honest.
That is where you need to start.

From Genesis to Revelation = the Righteous are delivered from God's wrath while they are in Tribulation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

My mission is to present truth.
The word of God.

You can hook up...or you can go against the bible.

If so, my job becomes to make you go against the bible.

I can easily do that.

This is delusional. You don't have any verse that shows Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven. So stop lying about it.

 

[DavidTree]

You also..

You changed up.....again...
My apologies, but you are confused and confusing..frustrates the Gospel....

1Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

All you are doing is accusing with absolutely zero evidence.

Don't blame me for your willful rejection of Scripture and the resulting confusion.

Did the LORD say wait for the four months of coming Harvest?

Now speak righteousness, if you can.

 

[Absolutely]

From Genesis to Revelation = the Righteous are delivered from God's wrath while they are in Tribulation.

I showed you already that is not the case

 

[Absolutely]

Not one of those verses say 'pre-trib' rapture = keep looking

Nor on my finger is it written "finger" so any mention of it is canceled unless i write on it " Finger"