THE RAPTURE/END OF DAYS

[BroTan]

THE RAPTURE/END OF TIME

I believe we are living now in the Tribulations. These are the "end times" spoken of by Jesus, and I believe every day the "end of days" draws nearer when Jesus shall return for His Church! I believe this will be the "end of time," and there will be NO second chances, no "do overs," or any such. When the Eastern Sky splits and Jesus descends to gather His Church and rapture them up to be with Him forever, that will be it! All that will remain will be the Judgement........

Below are Scriptures concerning the rapture..........


1 Thessalonians, Chapter 4:

14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17_ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 15:

34) Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

35) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58) Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

John, Chapter 5:

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Mark, Chapter 13:

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

Matthew 24:27 - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

According to the Bible thats called the first resurrection. Let's go to Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Look what happen to some of people that witness for Jesus and for the word of God. There was no rapture, these thing had to happen to Godly people in the truth.

This is after the Great Tribulation when the dead in Christ shall raise first. In Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Seeing the son of man in the clouds is a different feeling for those who have been keeping his commandments and statues, and Judgements. Those that have been waiting for this time to come.

Let's take another look at seen in Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? When a person ask for the rocks to fall on them they know they report card is not good at all. But maybe some of them could of ask for mercy, or repented, like that thief on the cross.

Now lets take a closer look at people seeing the son of man at this time. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1: 7)

Before we can get to 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-17 all this have to and more, and there will be a good amount of time so all can see the Son of Man before he come off the throne.

 

[p_rehbein]

No 4 horsemen have been released.

No antichrist ruling.

Free commerce. No mark anywhere

No 144k sealed.

No markers at all.
Zero

To support we are in the great tribulation.

That also ignores the purpose of the trib, the ac, and the rapture.

All or any one of these could occur tomorrow, or the next day, or next week or year. None of this negates that we are living in the tribulations today......

 

[p_rehbein]

Matthew, Chapter 24:

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

All of this has, or is occurring now..........these are what Jesus spoke......

The Tribulations are not just a one day, or one week or year event.........

Jesus as already conquered death and the grave and has the keys of hell in His grasp........

 

[DavidTree]

Your understanding of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is full of confusion. So let's clarify:

1. The Resurrection/Rapture is ONE SINGLE EVENT, with the Resurrection just ahead of the .

2. The "First Resurrection" is in three phases: (1) Christ the First Fruits, (2) the Resurrection/Rapture as the main harvest, and (3) the Tribulation saints as the gleanings.

3. There is only ONE Gospel, and during the Church Age God does not distinguish between Jews and Gentiles.

4. After the completion of the Church with its full complement of Gentiles, and the Rapture, God will once again resume His direct dealings with Israel.

Good Morning Brother - thank you for your reply

Your #1 is Correct

Point #2 you have a different gospel - so please explain these "tribulation saints" according to the only One True Gospel of Christ.

Point #3 The Church Age does not complete until the Coming of Christ = One Gospel

Point #4 is found in the ONE TRUE GOSPEL = Matthew 23:37-39

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!
Look, your house is left to you desolate.
For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’

 

[DavidTree]

According to the Bible thats called the first resurrection. Let's go to Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Look what happen to some of people that witness for Jesus and for the word of God. There was no rapture, these thing had to happen to Godly people in the truth.

This is after the Great Tribulation when the dead in Christ shall raise first. In Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Seeing the son of man in the clouds is a different feeling for those who have been keeping his commandments and statues, and Judgements. Those that have been waiting for this time to come.

Let's take another look at seen in Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? When a person ask for the rocks to fall on them they know they report card is not good at all. But maybe some of them could of ask for mercy, or repented, like that thief on the cross.

Now lets take a closer look at people seeing the son of man at this time. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1: 7)

Before we can get to 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-17 all this have to and more, and there will be a good amount of time so all can see the Son of Man before he come off the throne.

All that you stated is excellent - this will occur in accordance with 1 Thess 4:13-17 and not against it.

All the Scripture is in Harmony with ITSELF.

God gives added insight along the way - His will be done as HE desires at His Coming according as HE has spoken

After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.
They were looking intently into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

 

[Absolutely]

Good Morning Brother - thank you for your reply

Your #1 is Correct

Point #2 you have a different gospel - so please explain these "tribulation saints" according to the only One True Gospel of Christ.

Point #3 The Church Age does not complete until the Coming of Christ = One Gospel

Point #4 is found in the ONE TRUE GOSPEL = Matthew 23:37-39

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!
Look, your house is left to you desolate.
For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’

Rev 14 is the gathering of the Jews.
Complete with 144 k firstfruit jews.

The trib is jacobs trouble.

The innumerable number are resurrected Saints in heaven early into the Great Tribulation.
Prior to the innumerable number found in heaven, the martyrs were confined to under the throne and given robes but the innumerable number they actually eat and drink in heaven indicating they are glorified bodies. This presents a problem for any post-tribulation Resurrection being anything like a first resurrection ,because, evidently the innumerable number have glorified bodies because of the fact that they eat and drink in heaven.
The first resurrection includes the first fruits Jesus with the Patriarchs when he emptied Paradise.
Then we have the Rapture which is the dead in Christ raised from the dead and raptured up into heaven pretrib. , followed by the innumerable number apparently raised from the dead and in heaven and glorified bodies eating and drinking in heaven. At this point it is the time of the Gentiles fulfilled. And Jacob's trouble begins which is God turning his attention to his Covenant Jewish people.

Only the pre-tribulation Rapture / Resurrection model ties up all the ends and fits perfectly

 

[Absolutely]

All or any one of these could occur tomorrow, or the next day, or next week or year. None of this negates that we are living in the tribulations today......

It begins with a glorious entry of the false Christ complete with a crown ,a fake Jesus on a white horse. His glorious entry will kick-off the Great Tribulation and he begins taking over nations ( "goes forth conquering), and then killing believers which is his main goal.

 

[Absolutely]

All that you stated is excellent - this will occur in accordance with 1 Thess 4:13-17 and not against it.

All the Scripture is in Harmony with ITSELF.

God gives added insight along the way - His will be done as HE desires at His Coming according as HE has spoken

After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.
They were looking intently into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

Not one rapture verse included in that postrib workbook snippet.

That is dishonest.

Omit the rapture verses and ...poooof! ....postrib rapture model magically appears ( in your circles with, with Rapture verses removed)

 

[DavidTree]

Rev 14 is the gathering of the Jews.
Complete with 144 k firstfruit jews.

The trib is jacobs trouble.

The innumerable number are resurrected Saints in heaven early into the Great Tribulation.
Prior to the innumerable number found in heaven, the martyrs were confined to under the throne and given robes but the innumerable number they actually eat and drink in heaven indicating they are glorified bodies. This presents a problem for any post-tribulation Resurrection being anything like a first resurrection ,because, evidently the innumerable number have glorified bodies because of the fact that they eat and drink in heaven.
The first resurrection includes the first fruits Jesus with the Patriarchs when he emptied Paradise.
Then we have the Rapture which is the dead in Christ raised from the dead and raptured up into heaven pretrib. , followed by the innumerable number apparently raised from the dead and in heaven and glorified bodies eating and drinking in heaven. At this point it is the time of the Gentiles fulfilled. And Jacob's trouble begins which is God turning his attention to his Covenant Jewish people.

Only the pre-tribulation Rapture / Resurrection model ties up all the ends and fits perfectly[/QUOTE

 

[Absolutely]

According to the Bible thats called the first resurrection. Let's go to Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Look what happen to some of people that witness for Jesus and for the word of God. There was no rapture, these thing had to happen to Godly people in the truth.

This is after the Great Tribulation when the dead in Christ shall raise first. In Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Seeing the son of man in the clouds is a different feeling for those who have been keeping his commandments and statues, and Judgements. Those that have been waiting for this time to come.

Let's take another look at seen in Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? When a person ask for the rocks to fall on them they know they report card is not good at all. But maybe some of them could of ask for mercy, or repented, like that thief on the cross.

Now lets take a closer look at people seeing the son of man at this time. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1: 7)

Before we can get to 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-17 all this have to and more, and there will be a good amount of time so all can see the Son of Man before he come off the throne.

It says nothing as to when they are resurrected.

But in the setting you are reading there in Revelation 20 is after Satan is defeated and chained and the Antichrist is defeated so you have the first resurrection a day after Jesus comes back.

Nope nope nope

 

[CS1]

some believe the great tribulation cannot start before the antichrist is revealed. I believe we are at the very door and this is the grace period before the Church enters the "Ark" rapture of the church. it is the time to see our unsaved love ones come to Christ now. Prayer every day is needed.

 

[DavidTree]

Rev 14 is the gathering of the Jews.
Complete with 144 k firstfruit jews.

The trib is jacobs trouble.

The innumerable number are resurrected Saints in heaven early into the Great Tribulation.
Prior to the innumerable number found in heaven, the martyrs were confined to under the throne and given robes but the innumerable number they actually eat and drink in heaven indicating they are glorified bodies. This presents a problem for any post-tribulation Resurrection being anything like a first resurrection ,because, evidently the innumerable number have glorified bodies because of the fact that they eat and drink in heaven.
The first resurrection includes the first fruits Jesus with the Patriarchs when he emptied Paradise.
Then we have the Rapture which is the dead in Christ raised from the dead and raptured up into heaven pretrib. , followed by the innumerable number apparently raised from the dead and in heaven and glorified bodies eating and drinking in heaven. At this point it is the time of the Gentiles fulfilled. And Jacob's trouble begins which is God turning his attention to his Covenant Jewish people.

Only the pre-tribulation Rapture / Resurrection model ties up all the ends and fits perfectly

NOPE - i know who the 144k are and so should you

Only ONE TRUE GOSPEL - ONE - UNO - SINGLE - ONE SAME GOSPEL for the Jew and the Gentile

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;

but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

For there is no partiality with God. [/QUOTE]

 

[Absolutely]

You trying to say the. 144k are not what/who the bible says they are??

Ok go for it

 

[Absolutely]

some believe the great tribulation cannot start before the antichrist is revealed. I believe we are at the very door and this is the grace period before the Church enters the "Ark" rapture of the church. it is the time to see our unsaved love ones come to Christ now. Prayer every day is needed.

Glad your eyes are open and you can connect the dots.

Good post

 

[DavidTree]

some believe the great tribulation cannot start before the antichrist is revealed. I believe we are at the very door and this is the grace period before the Church enters the "Ark" rapture of the church. it is the time to see our unsaved love ones come to Christ now. Prayer every day is needed.

CORRECT = Pray everyday for our loved ones

The 'ARK' is CHRIST - you are either in or your out - this has nothing to do with a falsehood of pre-trib rapture

As in the days of Noah so will the Coming of the Son of Man be...............you are either in CHRIST or your outside for His Coming wrath

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 1:10
1.) wait for HIS Coming
2.) the Resurrection
3.) deliverence from His wrath

 

[DavidTree]

You trying to say the. 144k are not what/who the bible says they are??

Ok go for it

on the contrary = They are the Who, whom the FATHER called to CHRIST

you don't know this???

 

[Absolutely]

NOPE - i know who the 144k are and so should you

Only ONE TRUE GOSPEL - ONE - UNO - SINGLE - ONE SAME GOSPEL for the Jew and the Gentile

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;

but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

For there is no partiality with God.

[/QUOTE]
Yes
Nobody saved outside Jesus.

Messianic Jews come in last.
It is even prophetically pictured at the first miracle of Jesus.

It depicts the Jews coming in last.

1st miracle
Jewish wedding
6 earthen vessels
Water into wine
Wine portrayed as a main ingredient. (Fruit harvest is last harvest).
The proclamation..."you saved the best for last"

No postrib teacher knows anything about that.

You should offer $1000 to anyone finding a postribber teacher knowing what i just showed you.
Lol

Or "easier" still....a posrtib Rapture teacher that has one verse, a single verse depicting a post-trib rapture. Offer a $1,000 reward showing that verse

 

[DavidTree]

Yes
Nobody saved outside Jesus.

Messianic Jews come in last.
It is even prophetically pictured at the first miracle of Jesus.

It depicts the Jews coming in last.

1st miracle
Jewish wedding
6 earthen vessels
Water into wine
Wine portrayed as a main ingredient. (Fruit harvest is last harvest).
The proclamation..."you saved the best for last"

No postrib teacher knows anything about that.

You should offer $1000 to anyone finding a postribber teacher knowing what i just showed you.
Lol

Or "easier" still....a posrtib Rapture teacher that has one verse, a single verse depicting a post-trib rapture. Offer a $1,000 reward showing that verse[/QUOTE]

lol x1000000000000000 = THANK YOU = great laughter on this one

 

[DavidTree]

some believe the great tribulation cannot start before the antichrist is revealed. I believe we are at the very door and this is the grace period before the Church enters the "Ark" rapture of the church. it is the time to see our unsaved love ones come to Christ now. Prayer every day is needed.

Yes
Nobody saved outside Jesus.

Messianic Jews come in last.
It is even prophetically pictured at the first miracle of Jesus.

It depicts the Jews coming in last.

1st miracle
Jewish wedding
6 earthen vessels
Water into wine
Wine portrayed as a main ingredient. (Fruit harvest is last harvest).
The proclamation..."you saved the best for last"

No postrib teacher knows anything about that.

You should offer $1000 to anyone finding a postribber teacher knowing what i just showed you.
Lol

Or "easier" still....a posrtib Rapture teacher that has one verse, a single verse depicting a post-trib rapture. Offer a $1,000 reward showing that verse[/QUOTE]

i have to go now - will be back later = PEACE and THANK YOU for your Love and Fellowship in CHRIST
Born into religion yet lost in sin
Needing a Savior was told would Win
God was calling while life was so fun
His Love so drawing i began to run
Not away to go further astray
But gathering me near i lost all fear
Tears of Joy ran down my face
Now i was in Him and winning the Race
A stumble hear a stumble there
His Love did not falter it remains here
Now i am old longing for Home
Waiting for His Return coming to the Dome
Do not delay Time is running out
Give God the Glory Before the Angels Shout
Hurry, Hurry now get in the Ark
for the day draws near when All will grow Dark.
Run to Him now, make swift your flight,
for when that Day Comes He will be your LIGHT
AMEN

 

[Absolutely]

CORRECT = Pray everyday for our loved ones

The 'ARK' is CHRIST - you are either in or your out - this has nothing to do with a falsehood of pre-trib rapture

As in the days of Noah so will the Coming of the Son of Man be...............you are either in CHRIST or your outside for His Coming wrath

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 1:10
1.) wait for HIS Coming
2.) the Resurrection
3.) deliverence from His wrath

I am thinking you need noah removed during the flood or some dynamic proving noah was in some great tribulation and the flood was the prewrath dynamic you failed earlier to defend.

Tying to make that happen is a huge mess.