Cessation of Gifts
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How many Christian's actually go by the guidelines in how tongues and prophecy actually should be practiced?
If the sign gifts are for now.. they would be operating in decency and order.
I went to a charismatic church here to the youth service.. and the entire congregation started trying to speak in tongues (in this case it was gibberish)
That is blatantly ignoring the guidelines set by God thru Pauls writing to the church at Corinth.
I haven't seen a charismatic or Pentecostal church stick to the order and decency set in practicing the gifts.
If the sign gifts are for now.. they would be operating in decency and order.
I went to a charismatic church here to the youth service.. and the entire congregation started trying to speak in tongues (in this case it was gibberish)
That is blatantly ignoring the guidelines set by God thru Pauls writing to the church at Corinth.
I haven't seen a charismatic or Pentecostal church stick to the order and decency set in practicing the gifts.
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You said: "If the sign gifts are for now.. they would be operating in decency and order."
Well then according to this logic, no one should believe in Christ because, clearly, many Christians are 'out of order and sorts'.
The Holy Spirit has not stopped from pouring out those Precious Gifts - and HE does not need anyone's approval either.
This is why we have the Word of God - to know the Truth via the Spirit of Truth and Gifts of the Spirit.
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the [e]edifying of the body of Christ, 13till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
Well then according to this logic, no one should believe in Christ because, clearly, many Christians are 'out of order and sorts'.
The Holy Spirit has not stopped from pouring out those Precious Gifts - and HE does not need anyone's approval either.
This is why we have the Word of God - to know the Truth via the Spirit of Truth and Gifts of the Spirit.
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the [e]edifying of the body of Christ, 13till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
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C'mon... Acts is a narrative scripture (it tells the story of what happened). The scripture is the narrative I am talking about.
No. We might be misunderstanding each other though.
If that's the case we don't have a disagreement.
So, when I was talking about churches with the "initial evidence" doctrine- I'm talking about people saying it's the initial evidence for everyone who gets the Holy Ghost. Not the initial evidence in church history.
No. We might be misunderstanding each other though.
If that's the case we don't have a disagreement.
So, when I was talking about churches with the "initial evidence" doctrine- I'm talking about people saying it's the initial evidence for everyone who gets the Holy Ghost. Not the initial evidence in church history.
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You folks can never be pleased. Paul says if you all speak in tongues [as you describe these youngsters doing] and an unbeliever walks in will he not say you are mad?
So what they were doing although wrong does correspond to the bible.
Again Paul says if each of you prophesy and an unbeliever walks in he is convicted of everything and will fall on his face and say surely God is with you.
But you don't like that either do you?
So what they were doing although wrong does correspond to the bible.
Again Paul says if each of you prophesy and an unbeliever walks in he is convicted of everything and will fall on his face and say surely God is with you.
But you don't like that either do you?
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"SomeDisciple, post: 4687356, member: 308724" C'mon... Acts is a narrative scripture (it tells the story of what happened). The scripture is the narrative I am talking about.
No. We might be misunderstanding each other though.
If that's the case we don't have a disagreement.
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agree - but i would say this - God was specific in how HE poured out the baptism in the Holy Spirit and HE specifically
gave the Gift of Tongues on the day of Pentecost.
Please read Acts again for the Narrative of the Holy Spirit was the Gift of Tongues and GOD signed off on it.
AGAIN: i am not saying it must always occur this way - i AGREE with you on that
Let's allow the Scripture to Narrate to us HIS STORY - Amen[/QUOTE]
No. We might be misunderstanding each other though.
If that's the case we don't have a disagreement.
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agree - but i would say this - God was specific in how HE poured out the baptism in the Holy Spirit and HE specifically
gave the Gift of Tongues on the day of Pentecost.
Please read Acts again for the Narrative of the Holy Spirit was the Gift of Tongues and GOD signed off on it.
AGAIN: i am not saying it must always occur this way - i AGREE with you on that
Let's allow the Scripture to Narrate to us HIS STORY - Amen[/QUOTE]
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Well, not all scripture is given for all time. This theme you will often on CC.
The most of those who believe and expierenced the gift of speaking in tongues does it in combination with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And this teaching came up on the beginning of the last century in the USA.
This I cant find taught to any Christian in the NT. But this I would expect, because for some it seems to be the most important
Issue for an believer. I know that is often used Acts 2, 8, 10 and 19, but these mentioned Events can also to be seen as a witness for the jews, that the gospel is for all mankind and not alone for them.
The most of those who believe and expierenced the gift of speaking in tongues does it in combination with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And this teaching came up on the beginning of the last century in the USA.
This I cant find taught to any Christian in the NT. But this I would expect, because for some it seems to be the most important
Issue for an believer. I know that is often used Acts 2, 8, 10 and 19, but these mentioned Events can also to be seen as a witness for the jews, that the gospel is for all mankind and not alone for them.
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Well you are not an Apostle to correct Scripture which i often find in those who reject Scripture.
The Truth Challenge is to Prove - either YES or NO - by Scripture ITSELF
So please search the Scriptures, like the Bereans, and bring forth from Scripture what you find.
Please help yourself and review the evidence from Scripture that some Members here have provided as well.
The Truth Challenge is to Prove - either YES or NO - by Scripture ITSELF
So please search the Scriptures, like the Bereans, and bring forth from Scripture what you find.
Please help yourself and review the evidence from Scripture that some Members here have provided as well.
