What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

[ewq1938]

That is misrepresenting God`s great mercy.

Hold up there! I'm not who thinks God is an eternal torturer. THAT is misrepresenting God`s great mercy.

 

[Marilyn]

No, second death is to be dead forever which means no thought and emotion, nothing will remain alive in lake of fire. That's why it's called the second DEATH.

If as you say death is death, then how can one die twice?

 

[ewq1938]

If as you say death is death, then how can one die twice?

A resurrection makes that possible. Here's what happens: a living human's body dies, which is the first death. They were not saved so on judgment day they are resurrected, judged and then they die a second time but there are no more resurrections so they stay dead forever.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

From ὄλλυμι ollumi a primary word (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.
Total KJV occurrences: 4
Since TDW does not believe unsaved will be dead, but will be alive forever, it's important for them to NOT include full definition because it disputes what they are claiming about this word's meaning.

I've said over and over again, that it does include the meaning of DEATH (from off of this earthly existence, as the case may be in certain texts; or away from His presence forever as in 2Th1:9).




But recall, "death and hell/hades DELIVERED UP the DEAD" in the Rev20:13 context.

And v.10 states that the lake of fire that they (v.15 persons) are cast into is "unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" and in every occurrence this phrase MEANS THE SAME THING (21x). And recall, "death" itself is also "cast into" at that time... (for it will be "rendered inoperative" or "useless" [G2673], at that point-- https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/15-26.htm ).

 

[Marilyn]

Hold up there! I'm not who thinks God is an eternal torturer. THAT is misrepresenting God`s great mercy.

We ALL deserve to be eternally separated from God. However His great mercy is offering us the opportunity to be forgiven and have our spirit alive unto God.
Remember that Christ is `Lord of both the dead and the living.` (Rom. 14: 9)
If people were non existent physically and in their souls then they would not have Christ as Lord for they would extinct.

 

[Magenta]

God made man with an eternal soul and gave man free will.

Scripture nowhere says that. In fact, quite the opposite, as man is called mortal more than once, and we are told also that:

He (God) alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light.

 

[Marilyn]

A resurrection makes that possible. Here's what happens: a living human's body dies, which is the first death. They were not saved so on judgment day they are resurrected, judged and then they die a second time but there are no more resurrections so they stay dead forever.

However when you say they are resurrected then die again after judgment then you are negating that Christ destroyed physical death.

`He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The LAST ENEMY that will be destroyed is DEATH.` (1 Cor. 15: 25 7 26)

The Great White Throne judgment is AFTER that!

 

[Magenta]

And what verse says the soul is eternal?

None!

 

[Magenta]

`And God formed man of the dust of the ground, and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE, and man became a LIVING being.` (Gen. 2: 7)

God`s BREATH is eternal, as everything of God is.

Do you say the same of animals, who have the same breath of life animating their flesh?

 

[Marilyn]

Scripture nowhere says that. In fact, quite the opposite as man is called mortal more than once, and we are told also that:

He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light.

Good point there Magenta,

The `breath of life` God gave Adam, his soul, was not immortal, but eternal. Immortal mean not corruptible, and we see what happened to Adam, his soul became corrupt.

 

[Marilyn]

None!

God`s breath is eternal. (Gen. 1: 7. God cannot give anything of death from Himself.

 

[Magenta]

Good point there Magenta,

The `breath of life` God gave Adam, his soul, was not immortal, but eternal. Immortal mean not corruptible, and we see what happened to Adam, his soul became corrupt.

You are mashing words together that do not belong. Eternal means without beginning or end.

Man has a beginning, even his soul. It is impossible for it to be eternal.

 

[Marilyn]

Do you say the same of animals, who have the same breath of life animating their flesh?

No the animals have instinct not a living soul.

 

[Magenta]

No the animals have instinct not a living soul.

It is the same breath of life. You say it is eternal.

 

[Marilyn]

You are mashing words together that do not belong. Eternal means without beginning or end.

Man has a beginning, even his soul. It is impossible for it to be eternal.

Yes we had a beginning. because we are made in God`s image we have been given an eternal soul.

It is the same breath of life. You say it is eternal.

God never said He gave animals, trees, birds, etc His breath of Life. They have life, according to their kind, but not the soul. We are made in the image of God, they are not.

 

[rayzor]

just thought i should add this

Job 34:14
If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

Job 34:15
All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

 

[posthuman]

Yep.

Same word used in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 regarding "the man of sin" (the antichrist).

G2673


...which the text of 2Th2:8b states this occurs at the "MANIFESTATION of His presence / parousia" (i.e. His Second Coming to the earth Rev19)

and the beast is also cast into the lake of fire -- this is is the second death -- where all who are not written in the Lamb's book of life also go.
((Rev. 20:10, 14-15))

for sure God can do all things - He can annihilate; He can do all things. but this is what He does.

 

[Marilyn]

just thought i should add this

Job 34:14
If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

Job 34:15
All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Interesting scriptures, thank you rayzor.

 

[posthuman]

God never said He gave animals, trees, birds, etc His breath of Life. They have life, according to their kind, but not the soul. We are made in the image of God, they are not.

trees, no. but all animals & birds, yes. they are all living souls just as we are, and they all have the same breath of life just as we do.
for brevity's sake please consider the things in this thread:

Do Animals Enter Condemnation or Paradise?

 

[Magenta]

Yes we had a beginning. because we are made in God`s image we have been given an eternal soul.

God never said He gave animals, trees, birds, etc His breath of Life. They have life, according to their kind, but not the soul. We are made in the image of God, they are not.

For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other—they all have the same breath.
Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile. Ecclesiastes 3:19

You contradict Scripture.