What are you thoughts on Annihilation?
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My pleasure.
First death that occurred in the Bible was back in Genesis where God said 'in that day' [you eat the fruit] you shall surely die. By my understanding, the first death would then be spiritual death.
Physical death, then, isn't factored into the first or second death. For example, Jesus physically died, but never Spiritually died.
'The lake of fire: which is the second death' is symbolism since it is a thing that represents another thing. LoF is second death which is describing the state of being of death.
Revelation 20:14
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
Non-living things like "death and hell" are put to death. Since that's impossible it means that the lake of fire is a symbol, in my opinion.
Eternal tormenters believe that people are currently are awake in hell being tormented forever, not me.
I am of the mindset that Jesus did not waste any words. The word "may" means the possibility of something happening.
And that's what makes eternal torment a Biblically inconsistent interpretation of scripture. You're talking about people living forever in hell without realizing that you're describing eternal life for the damned.
My interpretation has Biblical support despite your claims of me introducing contradictions.
I am of the mindset that Jesus did not waste any words. The word "may" means the possibility of something happening.
This is why Jesus says "whomsoever the Son will reveal Him" below. Jesus decides who He will His Father to, meaning that Jesus has the option of not revealing His Father.
Matthew 11:27
27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
First death that occurred in the Bible was back in Genesis where God said 'in that day' [you eat the fruit] you shall surely die. By my understanding, the first death would then be spiritual death.
Physical death, then, isn't factored into the first or second death. For example, Jesus physically died, but never Spiritually died.
'The lake of fire: which is the second death' is symbolism since it is a thing that represents another thing. LoF is second death which is describing the state of being of death.
Revelation 20:14
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
Non-living things like "death and hell" are put to death. Since that's impossible it means that the lake of fire is a symbol, in my opinion.
Eternal tormenters believe that people are currently are awake in hell being tormented forever, not me.
I am of the mindset that Jesus did not waste any words. The word "may" means the possibility of something happening.
And that's what makes eternal torment a Biblically inconsistent interpretation of scripture. You're talking about people living forever in hell without realizing that you're describing eternal life for the damned.
My interpretation has Biblical support despite your claims of me introducing contradictions.
I am of the mindset that Jesus did not waste any words. The word "may" means the possibility of something happening.
This is why Jesus says "whomsoever the Son will reveal Him" below. Jesus decides who He will His Father to, meaning that Jesus has the option of not revealing His Father.
Matthew 11:27
27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
As far as the term "everlasting destruction," consider the word "destruction [G3639]," here, means "ruin" (even in the 2Th1:9 passage under discussion):
1Co 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction G3639 of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Th 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction G3639 cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
2Th 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction G3639 from [apo G575] the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
1Ti 6:9
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction G3639 and perdition.
1Co 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction G3639 of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Th 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction G3639 cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
2Th 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction G3639 from [apo G575] the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
1Ti 6:9
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction G3639 and perdition.
For those reading, beware of TDW posts because they often will not post an entire definition because they like to cherry pick or misrepresent what a word means like they have done here. "ruin" is only one part of the actual full definition as I will show:
G3639
ὄλεθρος
olethros
ol'-eth-ros
From ὄλλυμι ollumi a primary word (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.
Total KJV occurrences: 4
Since TDW does not believe unsaved will be dead, but will be alive forever, it's important for them to NOT include full definition because it disputes what they are claiming about this word's meaning.
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But I was speaking of what 1 John 5:11 was saying: "this life is in His Son"
-- https://biblehub.com/text/1_john/5-11.htm
-- https://biblehub.com/text/1_john/5-11.htm
That is misrepresenting God`s great mercy. How on earth did people before Christ know of Him? What about those in deepest darkest wherever? God unfolded concerning Himself and His purposes overtime and people are judged upon the revelation given. All are given the knowledge of the Creator. (Rom. 1: 20) from there over time God reveals more till finally we today have the PRIVILEGE of knowing about God`s purpose through Christ.
Many are accounted righteous because they believed what God told them and promised them. (Heb. 11)
Note - all are saved BECAUSE of Christ`s sacrifice, BUT not all knew of that.
Many are accounted righteous because they believed what God told them and promised them. (Heb. 11)
Note - all are saved BECAUSE of Christ`s sacrifice, BUT not all knew of that.