The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???
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There happen to be some bulletproof scriptures that connect the 6th Seal to the Day of the Lord (time of God's wrath) to mark the end of the great tribulation.
The sequence for the end times is as follows: Great tribulation, return of Christ, first resurrection, rapture, God's wrath.
Isaiah 13:9-13
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
Matthew 24:29-31
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Revelation 6:12-17
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The sequence for the end times is as follows: Great tribulation, return of Christ, first resurrection, rapture, God's wrath.
Isaiah 13:9-13
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
Matthew 24:29-31
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Revelation 6:12-17
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
We both see the white horses originating in heaven already with riders.
Yes Jesus comes postrib with millions of horses.
All the rapture verses....every single one has a groom gathering a bride.
No destroyed earth or warrior king killing enemies with his sword.
So far off is the postrib rapture (not a single verse), that our pretrib verses are solid and some from the mouth of Jesus...which are many that you guys NEED REFRAMED.
Incredible!
You guys would actually tamper with revelation, the spoken words of Jesus, and acts 1.
We have thoroughly debunked the slightest hint of any hope of the postrib rapture.
Ask yourselves why rev 14 , when invoked, is met with silence??
Tons of red flags.
Tons
Yes Jesus comes postrib with millions of horses.
All the rapture verses....every single one has a groom gathering a bride.
No destroyed earth or warrior king killing enemies with his sword.
So far off is the postrib rapture (not a single verse), that our pretrib verses are solid and some from the mouth of Jesus...which are many that you guys NEED REFRAMED.
Incredible!
You guys would actually tamper with revelation, the spoken words of Jesus, and acts 1.
We have thoroughly debunked the slightest hint of any hope of the postrib rapture.
Ask yourselves why rev 14 , when invoked, is met with silence??
Tons of red flags.
Tons
Me:
"""You just think you do because you never saw or were able to comprehend what i already, on many occasions explained my position on REVEALED , gathered, coming, etc."""
You:
"""OK, this is nothing more than just another STALL technique. If you have an opinion about what the wores mean, why don't you just tell me?"""
I even invited you to look up the definition of the word.
It is that dynamic that frees you from your misunderstanding of my position.
If you cant do it then stop responding to me.
"Revealed."
It is such a tragic stumbling block.
But remain where you are. Just stop responding to me.
"""You just think you do because you never saw or were able to comprehend what i already, on many occasions explained my position on REVEALED , gathered, coming, etc."""
You:
"""OK, this is nothing more than just another STALL technique. If you have an opinion about what the wores mean, why don't you just tell me?"""
I even invited you to look up the definition of the word.
It is that dynamic that frees you from your misunderstanding of my position.
If you cant do it then stop responding to me.
"Revealed."
It is such a tragic stumbling block.
But remain where you are. Just stop responding to me.
S
Absolutely!
In Rev. 19, we see Christ riding a white horse. But this white horse is being ridden by a "he" with a small "h." No capital "H"? Who is this guy? The absence of a capital "H" in the KJB indicates that it is not Him—not the King of kings! Watch out! . . .and don’t be deceived!
[2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
In Rev. 19, we see Christ riding a white horse. But this white horse is being ridden by a "he" with a small "h." No capital "H"? Who is this guy? The absence of a capital "H" in the KJB indicates that it is not Him—not the King of kings! Watch out! . . .and don’t be deceived!
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It says who he is....Jesus.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
You cannot move on until you understand what the Lord meant by saying:
Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage,
until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage,
until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
