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infinitekhanol said:
Are you sure your interpretation is right? I doubt.

When scripture says there is no one righteous not even a single person when we know that Abraham was noted to be righteous in same scripture. It behoves on us to understand what the scripture is really saying.
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Abraham is a man so he do sin too. Remember when he lie to the king about his wife
 
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infinitekhanol said:
Do you pray for others or request others to pray for you? if you do, why cant we request for prayers from her too? Even Paul always asked his converts to pray for him. At least we know, unlike us, she was testified to be full of grace and did intercede for people at the wedding at Cana and her request granted by her Son.
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I pray to Jesus not to human
 
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Jackson123 said:
Abraham is a man so he do sin too. Remember when he lie to the king about his wife
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The reason why we do not need to interpret scripture purely by the letter sometimes. He was noted to be righteous when scripture says no one was righteous. not even one person.
 
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infinitekhanol said:
The question asked is not to whom you pray to. You can check my post again.
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Do you request Mary pray for you and pray to Mary?
Do you believe Mary able to heir you and billions catholic ? Is she god?
 
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infinitekhanol said:
The reason why we do not need to interpret scripture purely by the letter sometimes. He was noted to be righteous when scripture says no one was righteous. not even one person.
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Depend on the context
 
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Jackson123 said:
Do you request Mary pray for you and pray to Mary?
Do you believe Mary able to heir you and billions catholic ? Is she god?
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No she is not God.

She can intercede in prayers for everyone. Just the way we intercede in prayers for one another. There is a huge difference though. While we are still struggling and striving to grow in grace, she was noted to be full of grace, blessed and highly favored. We are confident that she is sited in heavenly places with his dear Son, our Lord and Savior. And her requests will always be answered. You want bible citation------ check the wedding at Cana for instance.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Must base on the Bible not human invention.
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You are missing the point 100%. You may have to reread the post to understand what was said especially paragraph 2,3,4. They answered any questions you may raise on bible verses regarding this topic. What John and Paul said are written in the bible unless you are turning the bible into human inventions
 
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infinitekhanol said:
Myth? Fairy tale? I do not think we should call it that.

St John tells us that there were many things Jesus did/said which were not recorded in the scriptures. We are talking about things done more than 2000 years ago. I think people might have talked about these unwritten things for a long time or even written about them in other ways other than the scripture. And passed on through traditions or legends. Paul told his converts to hold fast the traditions (you might call it teachings) which they were taught whether by word of mouth or his epistles. It is very unlikely that everything Paul taught through the spoken word was recorded in the scripture. Some things would have been passed down the line via word of mouth too. Even in this madness of social media, so many things still circulate via word of mouth without entering the net, passed on from mouth to mouth, not to talk about then.

I do not think we should dismiss issues just because they are not written in the bible. The burden on us is to prove all spirits. ---is it in line with the truth of the scripture; is it in line with the nature of God etc. To me, in this case, the answer is yes because as I said before, it is unthinkable that God would manifest himself as man through a sinful body. Even we are made righteous so that the holy Spirit will dwell in us and walk in us to guide us to renew our mind day by day and quicken our mortal body. How can it be wrong to say that God made her pure right from the womb to shield her from the original sin because of her unique mission on earth? This is not out of God's character. He prepares his anointed ones for unique purposes in any way he deems fit. e.g. John the Baptist etc.

I believe it. I am not saying you or anyone else should believe it too But the least we can do is not to twist other people's doctrine or even the scripture in order to serve our purpose, though, I recognize that sometimes, we do this for lack of knowledge, out of the integrity of our heart in a bid to defend the gospel. Maybe, "to twist" is not the right word. Only God knows the heart. Provided we are persuaded in our heart that we are not saying things out of grudges, hatred, animosity or malignity, it is all good and well.

To digress a bit, I think that original sin is passed on by means of reproduction (sexual), hence, the need for her to be made pure right from the womb. This purity was preserved to conceive Jesus. Recall she conceived Jesus being a virgin, therefore, her purity was intact.

Jesus is the central figure in the gospel and not his mother, so, it is expected that revelation of his being would take the focal point of discussion/teaching and not his mother's.
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You are correct when you say that, "St John tells us that there were many things Jesus did/said which were not recorded in the scriptures."

If fact, those that demand proof from scriptures, the Bible, are in fact wrong. How do I know this? St Paul tells us clearly that 'Solara Scriptura', belief in the Bible's written word is wrong. Believing only in the written word of the Bible is wrong. Read St Paul's message (2 Thessalonians 2:15), So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

This is a clear teaching of St Paul that 'Sola Scriptura' is not a true doctrine. No where does the Bible claim that Scripture alone is the authoritative word of God.

If I were to ask you what is the pillar and foundation of God's word, would you answer, the Bible or the Church? Many would answer 'The bible alonel', Well, you'd be wrong. What does the Bible say is the Pillar and foundation of the Church? In fact, the Bible itself tells us that the Bible is not the pillar and foundation of the truth, instead it is God's Church. (1 Timothe 3:15) So those who ask you, where is this in the bible disregard the truth of Paul's teaching.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
You are correct when you say that, "St John tells us that there were many things Jesus did/said which were not recorded in the scriptures."

If fact, those that demand proof from scriptures, the Bible, are in fact wrong. How do I know this? St Paul tells us clearly that 'Solara Scriptura', belief in the Bible's written word is wrong. Believing only in the written word of the Bible is wrong. Read St Paul's message (2 Thessalonians 2:15), So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

This is a clear teaching of St Paul that 'Sola Scriptura' is not a true doctrine. No where does the Bible claim that Scripture alone is the authoritative word of God.

If I were to ask you what is the pillar and foundation of God's word, would you answer, the Bible or the Church? Many would answer 'The bible alonel', Well, you'd be wrong. What does the Bible say is the Pillar and foundation of the Church? In fact, the Bible itself tells us that the Bible is not the pillar and foundation of the truth, instead it is God's Church. (1 Timothe 3:15) So those who ask you, where is this in the bible disregard the truth of Paul's teaching.
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Also, keep in mind that there was no accepted 'New Testament' scripture as part of the Bible until after 300 years after Jesus ascension. In fact, Jesus didn't leave a book, instead, He left a Church. Dispute this if you will but it is the truth.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Also, keep in mind that there was no accepted 'New Testament' scripture as part of the Bible until after 300 years after Jesus ascension. In fact, Jesus didn't leave a book, instead, He left a Church. Dispute this if you will but it is the truth.
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So many demand, show me where it says that in the Bible, and I ask you to show me where 'Sola Scripture' is taught in the Bible. Fact is you can't. The Bible teaches the direct opposite. St Paul teaches, in the Bible, adhere to all we have taught you orally and in writing. And that doesn't mean the written Bible alone. How clear did St Paul have to be?
 
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Sola Scriptura is a false teaching. Nowhere does the Bible/Scripture itself affirm that the Bible is the sole authority of the Word of God. St Paul himself, in the Bible states that we should adhere to all that he and the church teaches, orally and in writing. In the Letter of Timothy, again from the Bible, it is taught that Jesus' Church, is the pillar and foundation of all truth.

Please show me where the Bible/Scripture teaches that it is the sole authority of God's truth. I am all ears.
 
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infinitekhanol said:
No she is not God.

She can intercede in prayers for everyone. Just the way we intercede in prayers for one another. There is a huge difference though. While we are still struggling and striving to grow in grace, she was noted to be full of grace, blessed and highly favored. We are confident that she is sited in heavenly places with his dear Son, our Lord and Savior. And her requests will always be answered. You want bible citation------ check the wedding at Cana for instance.
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She is not God how human able to heir and remember billions request every day from catholic from Mexico, USA china in the same time?
 
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