REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

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REMOVAL THEOLOGY:

The people of God are branches on a certain olive tree. When the New covenant came, those who did not believe in Christ were removed from that tree and those that did believe were allowed to remain. In addition, branches from other olive trees (gentiles) were taken and added to this special tree. This tree is Israel, the people of God, but now it is not based on race but on the heart and Spirit.


Romans 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.


Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

"They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God"


Today Israel is comprised of natural born Israelites as well as all other races of people. What they all share in common is they follow Jesus Christ as the Messiah. All who do not are broken off and are no longer a part of this Israel. Natural born Israel, or Jews are only Israel by blood but not by Spirit. Call it spiritual Israel if you wish. It's the only way to be of true Israel anymore.


Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Without Christ you are a gentile in God's eyes. "those who are of the flesh, these are not the children of God" as Paul clearly teaches.

Gill:

"for they are not all Israel, which are of Israel; that is, they which are the descendants of the patriarch Jacob, whose name was Israel; or who are of the Israelitish nation, of the stock of Israel, belonging to that people; they are not all ?? ?????, "the Israel", by way of emphasis, as in Psa_25:22, or the "Israel of God", Gal_6:16, the Israel whom Jehovah the Father has chosen for a peculiar people; which Christ has redeemed from all their iniquities; which the Spirit of God calls with an holy calling, by special grace, to special privileges; the seed of Israel who are justified in Christ, whose iniquities are so pardoned and done away, that when they are sought for they shall not be found, and who are saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: or in other words, though they are "Israel after the flesh", 1Co_10:18, yet not after the Spirit; though they are by nation Israelites, they are not Israelites "indeed", as Nathanael was, Joh_1:47; they are Jews outwardly, not inwardly; they have not all principles of grace, uprightness, and sincerity in them: now to these spiritual Israelites, or seed of Abraham, were the word of God, the promises of God concerning spiritual and eternal things made, and upon these they had their effect; and therefore it could not be said that the word of God had taken none effect; though the whole body of Israel after the flesh were cut off and rejected. Some copies, and the Vulgate Latin version, read, "who are Israelites"; and the Ethiopic version, "they are not all Israel who came out of Egypt"."



Clarke:


"Abraham is the father of many nations; and his seed is not only that which is of the law, but that also which is of the faith of Abraham, Rom_4:16, Rom_4:17. The Gentiles were included in the Abrahamic covenant as well as the Jews; and therefore the Jews have no exclusive right to the blessings of God’s kingdom."



Barnes:

"Not all Israel - Not all the descendants of Jacob have the true spirit of Israelites, or are Jews in the scriptural sense of the term; see the note at Rom_2:28-29."



Wesley:


"The sum is, God accepts all believers, and them only; and this is no way contrary to his word. Nay, he hath declared in his word, both by types and by express testimonies, that believers are accepted as the "children of the promise," while unbelievers are rejected, though they are "children after the flesh." All are not Israel - Not in the favour of God. Who are lineally descended of Israel."



God once chose a people. Those people chose to serve other gods. God chose to unchoose, and invite anyone who would accept Him as God. Israel is an olive tree that had many branches. God removed all branches that refused to accept the Messiah. Branches from other trees (gentiles) that accepted the Messiah were grafted to Israel. The new chosen people, the new Israel is composed of all races. Ethnicity is no longer a qualifier. Faith in Jesus Christ qualifies anyone.


"Israel" was a name that belonged to no one until God re-named Jacob and thus all of Jacob's children shared in that name. Just as God took that name and placed it on Jacob, he can take it away and give it to someone else! That's what happened. Now there are the racial, former Israelites and the new every-race Israel commonly known as spiritual Israel.


Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Christian gentiles are no more strangers but are fellowcitizens with those who weren't gentiles ie: Christian Israelites/Jews. This is gentiles joining Israel to be fellow Israelites, all being in Christ the corner stone.

What makes someone an Israelite is no longer the outwardly meaning the flesh, your bloodline or parents. You can only be an Israelite if you are one spiritually, of a circumcised heart and that ONLY can be achieved by being in Christ. At one time all people were gentiles, then God chose 12 brothers and decided that they would father a new people, and after God divorced these people for Adultery he sent his Son to die for the sins of all peoples, all now equal, no chosen race of people any longer. Now to be a member of Israel one must be in Christ.
Who and what Israel is now has been redefined by God. Israel now is not blood related by spiritually related. All who accept Christ are Israel. All who do not, are no longer Israel.

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Gentiles can become Jews through an inwardly change or spiritual change.

The olive tree is Israel, specifically who qualifies to be Israel. Things have changed and Paul is telling us about the changes. Namely, belonging to the tree is based only on Faith in Christ. Being born a Jew doesn't mean you get to stay a part of Israel. So, any natural branches who are ethnic Jews that believe in Christ are left on the tree and any who deny Christ are removed.

The wild branches are gentiles. Believing gentiles are grafted or added to Israel. Gentiles that don't accept Christ are not grafted. If a believing gentile stops believing, they will be removed. If any unbelieving Jew accepts Christ, they are re-attached to the tree.


Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. (the idea of replacement theology which Paul says is not true)
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

They were broken off not to be replaced by newly grafted branches but solely because they were non believers in Christ. Gentiles being added to this tree is not why other branches were removed.


Replacement theology is scripturally incorrect according to Paul. The true theology would be "Removal Theology" because people are removed from the tree due to unbelief.


Gill:

Romans 11:19
Thou wilt say then,.... This is an objection which the apostle foresaw the Gentiles would make against what he had said, and in favour of their boasting;


Barnes:

The branches were broken off ... - The objection is, that the branches were broken off in order that others might be grafted in. To this Paul replies in the next verse, that this was not the reason why they were rejected, but their unbelief was the cause.


Replacement theology is false. Removal theology is truth.
 

ewq1938

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For those that think removal theology is replacement theology re-named:

The problem is no one is replaced. The branches that are removed have their places also removed. Paul clearly states that no one is removed so another can take their place. What happens is natural branches are removed, and new branches are added making them just a part of the tree as the natural branches are. Gentiles join believing Jews as part of the same group. Removing people and adding new people doesn't equal replacement especially since a removed branch can be RETURNED TO IT'S PREVIOUS PLACE if they turn to Christ. That alone proves no one took that branches place since the place is saved for them in case they are no longer in unbelief. The tree has plenty of new places. No old place is re-used in the analogy and even in real world grafting you don't remove a branch that was weak, dead or producing no fruit or bad fruit and attach a new branch at that same spot. Grafting is always a new place on a tree that didn't use to have a bad branch. So, replacement is not true as far as what Paul wrote about nor is it true in literal branch grafting, exactly why Paul uses the analogy.


Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isaiah 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes
, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.


Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.


Isaiah 49:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.


Isaiah 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.



Israel was always meant to eventually attract gentiles to convert them into fellow Israelite citizens. Both Jews and Gentiles had to complete an inward spiritual change to become part of this new Israel, with a new covenant and a new husband who is Christ.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


Gentiles before having Christ were aliens/strangers from the commonwealth of Israel. With Christ they are citizens of the commonwealth of Israel which means being changed from being a gentile in a spiritual sense to being an Israelite themselves just like someone immigrating from Canada can receive American citizenship and therefore be a United States citizen. On the flip side, Jews that do not believe in Christ are cast out and are no longer "citizens" of Israel being aliens/strangers because they are without Christ as the gentiles had been.


Jer 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
There is a tree with natural or original branches. Those branches are the Jewish people making the tree Israel. After Christ came branches that rejected Him are removed, and gentile branches that accept Christ are added to it. The tree is still representative of Israel because it has many original branches/Jews, it just now includes gentiles as well as Jews, all who are Christians/Messianics.
Jer 11:17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

Here Israel (both houses) are likened to a green olive tree which means a young tree. The natural branches of the tree would be the individuals of Israel.


Hos 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
Hos 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
Hos 14:3 Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
Hos 14:4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Hos 14:5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
Hos 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree[/B], and his smell as Lebanon.


Here again, Israel is a beautiful Olive tree.

Here again, Israel is a beautiful Olive tree.

No surprise that Paul would use the same analogy:

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The olive tree and the wild olive tree and the branches being removed and some grafted in is all about joining or leaving Israel, those that believe and do not believe in Jesus Christ.
 
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That is spiritual speaking but not literally.
One can literally be both:

"Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I." - 2 Corinthians 11:22 KJV (Paul)
 
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Nope. All religious Jews in Judaism are Messianic Jews because they believe in a Messiah. Jewish Christian is the correct term because they are racially Jewish and their religion is Christianity.
Christianity is not a religion...
Religion is man to God....
Christianity is God to man.
There are many sects of jews. Just as we have many denominations, then the battle of the oral law and the written law.
Jesus came to fulfill not start a new religion, fulfill that was written by the prophets of old found only in the written word of God which is the testament of himself.
 
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pottersclay

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One can literally be both:

"Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I." - 2 Corinthians 11:22 KJV (Paul)
No argument there...paul was a jew. In fact the apostles were jews...in fact Christ was a jew.
(Hint..Hint).
Jews don't become christian...we are given a new heart.
 

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So the problem is not with ‘replacement theology’ per se, but with erroneous ideas that typically accompany it.
Well, there is a problem with replacement theology; but the problem in my opinion is it's false doctrine. LOL
 
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pottersclay

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You are wrong. It is a religion.
Christianity is faith based,......religion is works me ceremonial based.
Buddhism is a religion, Hinduism a religion, ect.
In fact if you'll allow me ....the first so called christians said they are of the way.
Show me where paul says first I was a jew now I'm a christian.
I believe someone covered where the term christian came from in this thread. It actually was a insult or ment to be.
To be truthful here in the states we are not protected by the religious amendment if someone really studied the terms.
No I'm not making it up.
 

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Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ...


REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

“Wherever replacement theology has flourished, the Jews have had to run for cover,” notes biblical scholar Thomas Ice. “Wherever such a view has gone it has always led to anti-Semitism.”[1] Another scholar says, “Replacement Theology has provided the basis for all sorts of mischief, persecution, and atrocities against the Jewish people throughout Christian history.”

(www.hethathasanear.com/ReplacementTheology.pdf)

The Israel Deception :: By Matt Ward - https://www.raptureready.com/2018/05/20/replacement-theology-israel-deception-matt-ward/

REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY - https://jij.org/news/replacement-theology/?campaignid=11016534694&adgroupid=108986655500&adid=461192352626&keyword_session_id=vt~adwords%7Ckt~%7Cmt~b%7Cta~461192352626&_vsrefdom=wordstream&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtrSLBhCLARIsACh6RmgSerJy4HJ6WoHv2zMcb493WZz7CahBd62-YHS5p7RuhS7lswA3jj4aAiggEALw_wcB

VARIOUS FORMS OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY - https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj20d.pdf
That is spiritual speaking but not literally.
the flesh is worth nothing now so the spiritual is all that matters to God. Israel isn’t israel Because of Abraham’s bloodline , it’s because of baptism into Christs blood that makes us Abraham’s seed

The flesh is what was replaced
 

Pilgrimshope

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Christianity is faith based,......religion is works me ceremonial based.
Buddhism is a religion, Hinduism a religion, ect.
In fact if you'll allow me ....the first so called christians said they are of the way.
Show me where paul says first I was a jew now I'm a christian.
I believe someone covered where the term christian came from in this thread. It actually was a insult or ment to be.
To be truthful here in the states we are not protected by the religious amendment if someone really studied the terms.
No I'm not making it up.
religion is someone trying to save the flesh for eternity by observing laws for the flesh but it is destined to perish with the flesh

“That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:3, 27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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No argument there...paul was a jew. In fact the apostles were jews...in fact Christ was a jew.
(Hint..Hint).
Jews don't become christian...we are given a new heart.
Jews can certainly become Christian. And not all Jewish people are NonChristian to begin with.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28 KJV
 

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The term Jewish christian is not the term to be used.
Messianic jew is that which best suits.
Replacement theology is a false teaching that God is done with the nation of Israel. That the church is his replacement.
This has crept into the early churches and was preached throughout the western world.
A jew cannot become a christian any more than a christian can become a jew.....yet we are one in Christ Jesus.
We (christian) are the spiritual, the bride of christ. Exclusive to Jesus.
The jews are the physical (bloodline) to Christ Jesus.
Remembering that God created the Jewish nation through abraham who was first a pagan.
Christian roots run deep into Judaism as we are adopted into it.
All the old testament scripture point to Jesus. The new testament is the starting of the fulfillment of the old testament prophecies.
I say the starting of the prophecies concerning end time prophecy which are yet to be fulfilled.
The prophecies concerning the law and it's bondage the separation of relationship and the forgiveness of sin has been fulfilled and satisfied on calvary.
As john the baptist said...behold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world...Praise Jesus thank you.

To believe is replacement theology is to erase our roots ...our promises from God. Our beginning.
As we are adopted into God's family.

As I ask so many here and abroad a simple question...
If you were a orphan and I were to adopt you.. Would I become part of your family or do you become part of mine?



Awesome! Thank you!
Our Redeemer was of the Jewish nation!
The first people to accept Christ as saviour were Jewish!
Thank God we were grafted in and adopted by the blood to become the children of God!
Paul firmly states there is neither Jew nor gentile,male nor female,slave nor master but we ALL ARE ONE in Christ Jesus
Amen!
 

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Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ...


REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

“Wherever replacement theology has flourished, the Jews have had to run for cover,” notes biblical scholar Thomas Ice. “Wherever such a view has gone it has always led to anti-Semitism.”[1] Another scholar says, “Replacement Theology has provided the basis for all sorts of mischief, persecution, and atrocities against the Jewish people throughout Christian history.”

(www.hethathasanear.com/ReplacementTheology.pdf)

The Israel Deception :: By Matt Ward - https://www.raptureready.com/2018/05/20/replacement-theology-israel-deception-matt-ward/

REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY - https://jij.org/news/replacement-theology/?campaignid=11016534694&adgroupid=108986655500&adid=461192352626&keyword_session_id=vt~adwords%7Ckt~%7Cmt~b%7Cta~461192352626&_vsrefdom=wordstream&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtrSLBhCLARIsACh6RmgSerJy4HJ6WoHv2zMcb493WZz7CahBd62-YHS5p7RuhS7lswA3jj4aAiggEALw_wcB

VARIOUS FORMS OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY - https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj20d.pdf
Any time we think of God as a God of entire nations instead of a God of the individuals of that nation we are creating a God that isn't the true God. Christ is one with the Father, and Christ spoke to individuals.
In Genesis 18:32, Abraham said to the Lord, “If I can find Ten righteous people In Sodom and Gomorrah will you spare the cities?”


When God created Israel he created individuals who were as priests. Exodus 19:6
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”


Replacement theology lumps every individual with a group label, and that is not correct.
 

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This amount of detail seems frivolous. What impact does believing in replacement or non-replacement have an an individual's walk with Christ?

All Christians worship a Jewish man who loved his own people. God's church and people are those who profess Jesus as Messiah. In God's kingdom "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
 

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So the problem is not with ‘replacement theology’ per se, but with erroneous ideas that typically accompany it.
That's partially correct. But Replacement Theology refuses to accept the biblical fact that God has an eternal plan and purpose for BOTH the Church in the New Jerusalem and redeemed and restored Israel on earth. That leads to both theological and eschatological errors. The problem lies in most churches failing to study the Old Testament prophecies in depth. But even the NT makes it perfectly clear that God has two parallel plans in place. It was the Catholic Church which introduced Replacement Theology, and the Protestant Reformers went along with that instead of going back to the Bible.

Luther was clearly anti-Semitic, but Europeans in general had little regard for Jews. In spite of all that, Jews in Europe managed to take a very prominent place in society, and eventually Jews like the Rothschilds were calling all the shots. Today a small cabal of extremely wealthy Jews controls world events, the media, etc., and again the house of Rothschild is involved right at the top.

Because German Jews were in banking, the professions, etc. Hitler made them His scapegoat and planned for a "Final Solution" to the Jewish problem. Henry Ford had similar views to Hitler. At the same time Jews were not totally blameless either, and may have brought much hatred upon themselves by their business tactics etc. Interestingly enough Communism was the invention of the Jew Karl Marx, and Jews were heavily involved with Communist oppression, subversion, and treason. Now the Democrats are working night and day to make America another Communist third world country. And they are succeeding because no one has the guts to arrest all the evildoers and lock them up.
 
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The term Jewish christian is not the term to be used.
Messianic jew is that which best suits.
Replacement theology is a false teaching that God is done with the nation of Israel. That the church is his replacement.
This has crept into the early churches and was preached throughout the western world.
A jew cannot become a christian any more than a christian can become a jew.....yet we are one in Christ Jesus.
We (christian) are the spiritual, the bride of christ. Exclusive to Jesus.
The jews are the physical (bloodline) to Christ Jesus.
Remembering that God created the Jewish nation through abraham who was first a pagan.
Christian roots run deep into Judaism as we are adopted into it.
All the old testament scripture point to Jesus. The new testament is the starting of the fulfillment of the old testament prophecies.
I say the starting of the prophecies concerning end time prophecy which are yet to be fulfilled.
The prophecies concerning the law and it's bondage the separation of relationship and the forgiveness of sin has been fulfilled and satisfied on calvary.
As john the baptist said...behold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world...Praise Jesus thank you.

To believe is replacement theology is to erase our roots ...our promises from God. Our beginning.
As we are adopted into God's family.

As I ask so many here and abroad a simple question...
If you were a orphan and I were to adopt you.. Would I become part of your family or do you become part of mine?
Maybe you never read Matthew 23: 36

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!
Look, your house is left to you desolate.
For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

The earthly nation Israel rejected their Messiah and were given the boot.

They are in bondage to sin, are under the law and cannot be saved apart from the Blood of Christ.

There always was and always will be just One Gospel for the Jew and the Gentile.

They will only be restored after God judges them with the nations = Day of Jacobs Trouble
 
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That's partially correct. But Replacement Theology refuses to accept the biblical fact that God has an eternal plan and purpose for BOTH the Church in the New Jerusalem and redeemed and restored Israel on earth. That leads to both theological and eschatological errors. The problem lies in most churches failing to study the Old Testament prophecies in depth. But even the NT makes it perfectly clear that God has two parallel plans in place. It was the Catholic Church which introduced Replacement Theology, and the Protestant Reformers went along with that instead of going back to the Bible.

Luther was clearly anti-Semitic, but Europeans in general had little regard for Jews. In spite of all that, Jews in Europe managed to take a very prominent place in society, and eventually Jews like the Rothschilds were calling all the shots. Today a small cabal of extremely wealthy Jews controls world events, the media, etc., and again the house of Rothschild is involved right at the top.

Because German Jews were in banking, the professions, etc. Hitler made them His scapegoat and planned for a "Final Solution" to the Jewish problem. Henry Ford had similar views to Hitler. At the same time Jews were not totally blameless either, and may have brought much hatred upon themselves by their business tactics etc. Interestingly enough Communism was the invention of the Jew Karl Marx, and Jews were heavily involved with Communist oppression, subversion, and treason. Now the Democrats are working night and day to make America another Communist third world country. And they are succeeding because no one has the guts to arrest all the evildoers and lock them up.
And you will find strong Jewish involvement again in politics swaying the masses in there revulsion of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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pottersclay

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Maybe you never read Matthew 23: 36

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!
Look, your house is left to you desolate.
For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

The earthly nation Israel rejected their Messiah and were given the boot.

They are in bondage to sin, are under the law and cannot be saved apart from the Blood of Christ.

There always was and always will be just One Gospel for the Jew and the Gentile.

They will only be restored after God judges them with the nations = Day of Jacobs Trouble
No argument there 😕
 

Dino246

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Yes but also the theology also angers God.
I will bless those that bless you and curse him that curse you.
The teaching of this alone is anti semitic. It causes Ill thoughts toward the people and nation.
Okay then... what do you call the belief that the true Israel consists exclusively of redeemed-in-Christ persons of both Jewish and non-Jewish descent?
 

Nehemiah6

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And you will find strong Jewish involvement again in politics swaying the masses in there revulsion of the Lord Jesus Christ.
That is correct. Ever since the time of the scribes and Pharisees there has been total hatred for Jesus of Nazareth by many (if not all) Jews. Godless Communism promoted by Jews is a part of this campaign.

And yet, in God's grace, He will fulfil His covenant to Abraham. The twelve tribes will be redeemed and restored, but only one-third of all Jewry will be saved at the time when Christ comes to deliver Israel from its enemies. God will supernaturally gather all Jews from all around the world to face Christ. But 2/3rds will remain unsaved, yet all 12 tribes will be represented among the saved.

And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. (Zech 13:8,9) [Note: The LORD (YHWH) here refers to Christ, who is "I AM"]